Winter Balance Preview Changelog

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2016, 00:27 AMMr.Smith

We are not aware of a bug to the Engine Shot. Perhaps it's because the range is too short? Now that the two abilities are non-overlapping people will actually get to use the Engine Shot.

Jump back to quoted post25 Nov 2016, 20:22 PMvasa1719

LUL really nerf soviet mortars like all another with his reload time ?
About quad, he have poor start speed, so its stats looks not good for him. Really i can undestand why its get nerf, its not quad from summer 2014, lose him now are more easy.
Really, ostheer pio buff ? What about soviet pio ? Just whanna look to eyes person who think, that ostheer pio are weak, but soviet pio are fine OpieOP.
@The AEC also suffered from extremely low armour causing it to be destroyed by S Mines and HMG teams too easily.@ Realy ? What you can say about t-70 that have lower numbers and die faster then AEK from S mines and MG lazers ?
So fusi popcap are fine ?
No changes for scope in 222 when you can see 2/3 of map ?
No changes for OKW flayers from com panther doc ?
At least nerf 1919 and penals.
No lolotovs buff ?
At least buff maxims .
6/10 for patch.
So double BRENS are legal, double BARS are legal.
Hope t-70 autorepeir from docs work fine in bug world .
What the old logic, nerf unit and nerf his price like with guards ? Is it hard make somthing one ?
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Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2016, 00:27 AMMr.Smith

We tried that. Then we decided that with Penals being able to switch from long-ranged-AI role to close ranged specialists:
- Nobody would ever, ever build Shocks (who actually really badly need a buff)
- We had no idea how such a lethal close-ranged squad would play in some of the city maps. Thus we didn't want to introduce anything potentially gamebraking.



Bingo. Guards would, then, become the unofficial weapon rack of the Soviets, kitting out everyone. Thus Guards would become an auto-pick, further shoving Shocks further down into oblivion.

IMO, a better solution would be to prevent PTRS rifles from dropping altogether.

The cost is an one-time thing. Guards have decent reinforcement cost. We have to see how things play out with the Vet5 faction, though.



I hate the idea about nerfing a unit, to try to make people pick others units. Shock troops sucks. They can be only viable in city maps, which are always on veto by axis players. Conscripts got no weopons updates witout commanders, and this patch nerf guards and penals at same time? Molotovs sucks and cost way to much, atleast combine the at grenade and molotov, since penals wont have a flamer. Gaurds getting nerfed and getting their price up it it bit to hard in my oppinion.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2016, 03:11 AMAntemurale

However:
Infantry
- I'm concerned with Soviet core infantry scaling. Now, neither Cons nor Penals get any weapons upgrades, and thus would scale worse into the late game.
- Where are the Shocks, Obers, Pfusils, and Falls adjustments?

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2016, 03:11 AMAntemurale

- The G43 for PGrens upgrade is still not good enough. I would suggest increasing the upgrade cost and giving them 4 G43s. Same goes for Stormtroopers.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2016, 04:19 AMZombiFrancis

After an evening of messing around with the preview...

I have not detected a significant change whatsoever to squad spacing.

The formations do appear the same across squads, but units are as clumpy ever from what I can tell. I don't really see how what was changed will improve issues with squad spacing...

So forget everything I said before, I guess all those changes are needed because the formation changes are completely missing the problem.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2016, 04:21 AMTheMachine

The formation changes fix squad spacing when squads are out in the open, it is quite noticeable. Unfortunately, given the limitations of the mod tools, there is nothing we can do to fix the way that squads clump when they enter and exit cover.

We had some other ideas in mind, such as light cover giving a 2% bonus to received damage, meaning that Mortars won't one shot squads that are clumped up behind light cover. But that's something for another day.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2016, 04:31 AMNubb3r

Was out in the open squad spacing even an issue? I always thought bunching behind cover was the deal.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2016, 04:33 AMmiragefla

For certain units, yes. Especially for Obers, Falls, and most Ostheer infantry. Also Sappers.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2016, 04:40 AM__deleted__

Are many of these changes subject to change before official launch? some just seem a bit over the top.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2016, 04:02 AMTheMachine

Unfortunately, changes to OKW infantry were out of scope for this patch.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2016, 04:02 AMTheMachine

G43 on PGrens is a very delicate issue. We have talked about this a lot, and we are aware that the small buff still won't be worth it most of the time. The problem is, STG's are already so damn good on Panzer Grenadiers that giving them a weapon which is even stronger would be insane, especially against squads like Conscripts. The other option is make G43's stronger at range but weaker up close compared to STG's, but that's very easy to make overpowered because mobile high damage long range squads can be blobbed and get very abusable. LMG's at least need to be stationary and are slow.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2016, 04:45 AMfrostbite

These are some of the craziset changes.....COH2 is going to die. most of the changes are insane nerfs to allies

There will be tournaments and replay casts, get playing!

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2016, 04:02 AMTheMachine

G43 on PGrens is a very delicate issue. We have talked about this a lot, and we are aware that the small buff still won't be worth it most of the time. The problem is, STG's are already so damn good on Panzer Grenadiers that giving them a weapon which is even stronger would be insane, especially against squads like Conscripts. The other option is make G43's stronger at range but weaker up close compared to STG's, but that's very easy to make overpowered because mobile high damage long range squads can be blobbed and get very abusable. LMG's at least need to be stationary and are slow.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2016, 05:27 AMmiragefla

If G43s were to be buffed and/or reverse the role of PGs, there would definitely be significant nerfs to the current G43's moving accuracy. StGs for moving and assault. G43s for stationary combat.

As for a blob, I disagree with GG. I doubt a blob of Obers with 0 LMGs would be much of an issue and both units take up too much pop and manpower and will bleed.