PzWerfer vs Calliope.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2016, 23:01 PMOutsider_Sidaroth

With all Rocket Arty you need to drive up close for dem wipes, the Calliope is just the most likely to survive doing this, due to it's huge HP and how much Smoke USF has.
Panzerwerfer has Surpression as added utility to it's name.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2016, 22:49 PMAustralian Magic

Non-doc Calliope

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2016, 23:08 PMeasierwithaturret

Wat?

Anyway perhaps it's because the calliope is more likely to be used against less mobile forces. Also what Sidaroth said; I'm sure you are using the pwerfer at short distance but I doubt you're driving it quite as close as you would a calliope because you know how fragile it is.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2016, 23:08 PMOmega_Warrior

Why are you making the arbitrary comparison with the pwerfer and the calliope. Why not throw the stuka in there too? Calliope doesn't look that strong vs stuka which comes even sooner.

Also I don't think you are giving the pzwerfer enough credit. Most people who say it's bad are trying to use it at max range, and the calliope isn't even good if you use it at max range, but the pwerfer suffers greater from it. It's also the only rocket arty that has supppression, so even if you miss and don't get much wipes it can turn an engagement. It also has a higher alpha damage firing all at once and I believe it also reloads faster then the calliope but i'm not sure.

Most importantly, the calliope is much more expensive then the pzWerfer. It's like asking why the T34-85 is better then the T34-76.

Also we've seen what a stronger pwerfer looks like. It wasn't pretty.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2016, 23:03 PMAustralian Magic

And for what reason you need this suppression if all rockets are lanuched at the same time?


I used PzWefer as close as possbile and even after 4 barraged I could not make it as good as 1 calliope barrage.


And what's the reason for expensive T4 units to be worse than non tech call-in?

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2016, 23:17 PMStug life

I think it's was good before it was hit by the aoe nerf
And no it doesn't need to do what calliope do just half is good after all all the rocket are fired in 1 barrage so no time to move
I would suggest to give back the old aoe profile

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2016, 23:10 PMAustralian Magic

Stuka is easy to dodge. Calliope is not.

Yup, calliope costs more what what if you need arty to counter vet 3 double LMG rifles? You need to tech and teching to T4 in 1v1 is not cheap. Meanwhile USF player can get non tech Calliope and spend rest fuel of Jackson/Shermans.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2016, 23:24 PMOmega_Warrior

Well vet3 lmg blobs is a problem for another thread.

Thing is the pwherfer was designed as a T3 unit, it was only moved to T4 because the T4 was barren after losing the elephant. And TBH the idea of "T4" unit being stronger is something that never really worked out. Since some factions max out at T3 level tech, T4 can't actually be really stronger because at the end of the day the T3 level factions still need to be able to handle it. So in actuality T4 ends up just being kind of different rather than actually being more powerful.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2016, 23:30 PMAustralian Magic

But when you consider than finally USF tier costs you 180F while T4 270F (210 if skipped T3 which is something too hard) you would expect that T4 units will be quite poweful. They should reward you for expensive teching instead of relying on cheap call ins.

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2016, 03:48 AMeasierwithaturret

PzWerfer is alright IMO. It does a fine job at killing models at 0 risk to the user, which makes it a useful late-game purchase AFTER you've already got some armoured units on field. It is susceptible to RNG, in that sometimes it will wipe that pesky ATG completely and sometimes it will only drop 1 model. That is ok though, being able to delete enemy units without any risk is the last thing the game needs more of.

Of course it is rarely seen in 1v1 but that is due to the general difficulty that OH has in getting the resources needed to build t4 when they are already under heavy pressure at the t3 stage. In team games it is plenty useful. That applies to most artillery really, in that buffs to make it worthwhile in 1v1 risk making it OP in a team context.