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For years you say? Maybe it had something to do with.... Flamer upgrade for USF?
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For years you say? Maybe it had something to do with.... Flamer upgrade for USF?
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For years you say? Maybe it had something to do with.... Flamer upgrade for USF?
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I think you and Firesparks are kind of saying the same thing; not having mortars forces USF to get grenades.
However, where your opinions clash is that Firesparks (and I) believe that USF needs to be forced to get grenades, otherwise the ensuing Cpt & Stuart rush will cause USF to almost-always faceroll OST.
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Except that's not true. OKW has the best early game. Spio>volks>kubel>volks can rush any point on the map you want, even your enemy cutoff. They even get sandbags to hod it. USF doesn't really hit it stride til after they get their first unit after teching.
The mortar was necessary for anti-garrison. Knowing your opponent was going to rush a building and not being able to do anything about it was terrible. Grenades are expensive and easily avoidable, they didn't get the job done. And while you might be able to play the avoidance game in 1v1, it's a lot less viable in the more corridor like teamgames. They can nerf the mortar, but it's existence is necessary for usf to be competitive on building heavy maps.
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Except OKW don't even have nades early one to take garrisons, except anti-garrison units require special tier, except OKW don't even have smoke. So it's not fine for USF to invest into nades and get their bar/LMGs later and get Stuart sligly later, while its fine that OKW don't even have a single tool to fight against garrisons. Biased much?
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Except OKW don't even have nades early one to take garrisons, except anti-garrison units require special tier, except OKW don't even have smoke. So it's not fine for USF to invest into nades and get their bar/LMGs later and get Stuart sligly later, while its fine that OKW don't even have a single tool to fight against garrisons. Biased much?
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OKW has an even more powerful opening then even USF, .
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I guess i'm just imagining it when the go to tactic for okw in 2v2 is to head straight for the enemy cutoff, with spio>volks>kubel. Having the strongest opening unit is a huge benifit, and the kubel speed, lack of bleed, and caping ability is really strong. Rifles might be good, but okw can outnumber them early. General rule of thumb in team games is to not try to go head to head with okw for the fuel at start or you will get forced away.
Oh man you almost had me there for a millisecond
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Yes OKW does have problems with garrison early. But when they DO tech up they immediately get free access to effective anti-garrison on all their mainline infantry. USF has pay for ineffective anti-garrison and wait longer for a expensive permanent option. Flame-nades actually keep units out of buildings and OKW has an even more powerful opening then even USF, normal grenades are easily dodged.
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The mortar was necessary for anti-garrison. Knowing your opponent was going to rush a building and not being able to do anything about it was terrible.
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Welcome to the Axis life.
So please tell me what the OKW player starting north on Semoisky is going to do against a UKF/Soviet player who rushes an MG into the capping point building at the base exit?
The whole city is closed for you then until the mid game and the enemy can defend the other fuel point with his whole army (except the MG inside the house).
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With OKW, there is no way that maxim or vickers will get there first.
Or try to explain me how making vickers and sending through whole city or building T2, making maxim and sending through whole city can be faster than sending SP to the nearest building?
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I did not say that it happens 100% of the time. But having to keep a unit near a building because losing this building will lose you the game is a very stupid type of gameplay. Making my Sturmpioneers waiting there for support to arrive that can camp inside the building is just dumb.
No offense to you but to the gameplay. I know, I know the building is so important that you should never leave it unobtained. But the way it is right now makes every game on Semoisky the same. Camping around that one particular building.
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One could argue that it's the problem with map, not overall faction design.
Good I have both Semoisky maps on my veto list
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With OKW, there is no way that maxim or vickers will get there first.
Or try to explain me how making vickers and sending through whole city or building T2, making maxim and sending through whole city can be faster than sending SP to the nearest building?
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With OKW, there is no way that maxim or vickers will get there first.
Or try to explain me how making vickers and sending through whole city or building T2, making maxim and sending through whole city can be faster than sending SP to the nearest building?
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Dinno, how about you send your Inf section to the main building and rape Sturmpios when they try to get up close, and then simply wait for your vekers to get into the building?
Soviets yes, but again how long OKW will sit in the building under maxim fire? Not to mention that if situation is becoming bad you always have mortar to take OKW out of building. But there is no point for OKW to rush key buildings. Yes, they would win themselfs some time, but usually its not worth it, because you will be pushed back anyway. Untill T1\T2 OKW cant hold ground.
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