About ISU-152

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2016, 18:24 PMwhitesky00

no, it's AP round is laughable. Bounce shot RNG for 8+ second reload. Could just get 2 SU-85 instead with more penetration, faster reload, and double the damage.

It needs penetration of 280 or something so that it's shots actually count against mediums.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2016, 19:18 PMnee

Was it really that OP that Relic had to make it swap HE/AP Or was that one of those random ideas Relic threw in that no one ever complained about?

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2016, 09:31 AMFinndeed

the trouble with the ISU is that it gets hard countered by elevation. Maybe artificially making where the shells are fired from higher off the ground might help?

The changing of shells could do with a shorter period of time for the sake of making it relevant. Oh and the pen should be increased for the AP shells, it should have more pen than an 85...

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2016, 19:25 PMscratchedpaintjob

it really was that op. it wiped infantry like nothing else, it killed tanks, it dominated matches.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2016, 18:30 PMAustralian Magic

No it does not.

Just get two SU85s if you have problems with ISU152.
For the sake of balance ISU shouldn't be units with huge range with great wiping potential and with awesome penetration. You can't have everything.

Right now it has great range, great AI and very decent AT. You are supposed to get other AT units if ISU is not enough, not just one units to counter everything. If you want to keep great AI, then AT has to be decent at max (which is). If you want better AT, then nerf AI but that would overlap with SU85.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2016, 19:56 PMelchino7

Who didn't enjoyed ISU vs Ele pre WFA ? It was "SO FUN".

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2016, 20:42 PMwhitesky00

Yes, that is the exact problem. For the cost of 1 ISU, I do and will always get 2 su-85s. Nobody uses isu-152 for any AT because it RNG bounces even p4. With 8+ seconds reload, it takes as long as a Firefly but fails to reliably penetrate and do damage. And, it's not good at everything because it has like a 16 second ammo switch. By the time the switch is complete, it should already be flanked and/or dead.

The AI is also RNG. Sure it's great if it hits but with it's accuracy and projectile terrain pathing, it sometimes also hits nothing at all. that's 8 seconds plus another 8 seconds to reload and fire again. All this time, it may hit nothing for a 720 MP 260 fuel unit. IS-2 performs better and all heavies have had their MP cost reduced to around 600 for Tiger, IS2, Pershing. This one stands out as an RNG unit like B4 which is why usage is so-so and definitely never used as an AT weapon.

And dude, your playercard barely shows you as playing SOV.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2016, 20:47 PMwhitesky00

Yeah, tell me about it. ISU always lost whenever Elefant was around. ISU lost to tiger which was the most spammed tank especially since they could get more than one. Elefant for all those tight maps or weird terrain where they could shoot through anything. Had more range before then too.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2016, 06:31 AMCrecer13

then what is the IS-2?
Expensive close combat Anti Infantry Tank?
Because the damage against tanks - a joke. It can damage Pz-4.
Against the Panthers, Tiger and OP KT it is very bad.
Plus a huge GNR bounce

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2016, 04:21 AMSmiling Tiger

I said it was a heavy assault gun and that its meant to take out softer targets like infantry and structures rather than tanks, you cant have your cake and eat it too. Also how is it a close combat Anti Infantry Tank, it has great range.

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2016, 04:27 AMCrecer13

He has, but he is also blind. he has a very small radius of the review

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2016, 04:50 AMmiragefla

You mean the same as every other super-heavy TD at 35? Unless you add spotting scopes.

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2016, 18:00 PMRocket

I think make it into a dedicated TD like ele and jagd. That would be help full for allies in 2v2 as a lot of maps there is almost no counter for jagd or ele other than a suicide high risk medium flank and your tanks become useless.

Also IS2 should be better at being a generalist it kinda sucks at AT for as much as it cost.