Fixing blob and random wipe

Jump back to quoted post13 Aug 2016, 13:19 PMferwiner

At first I thought it is stupid to have mortar shell keeping you alive after you got directly hit by it. But then I thought that actually soldiers can't kill each other at point blank range without firing whole magazine in coh2. I think we can go that way then, apart from realism reasons there is nothing against it and it is going to promote good plays.

Just mind that heavy explosives should still deal a lot of damage to tanks, both on penetration and without it. Not only the tank shells.

I also belive that at least goliaths and demos should stay as they are. They are expensive, easy to counter and would be useless without ability to wipe.

Jump back to quoted post13 Aug 2016, 17:16 PMTaksin02

random wipe = fun

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2016, 18:03 PMAustralian Magic

And what's is RANDOM wipe? Seeing that part of the map is under heavy fire and despite that going there with infantry just to get wiped?

Standing in front of tank?

Watching flying nade without trying to dodge it?

That's not random wipe. That's stupidity or being out-microed.

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2016, 18:30 PMMirdarion

What is X actually?

Option A (unrelated)?

Option B (unrelated)?

Option C (unrelated)?

That's not X!

And that, my friends, is a straw man. Regardless of whether the topic in question has any merit to it or not, that non-argument above is such a beautiful textbook version of a straw man, that I can almost taste the straw it is made of.

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2016, 18:03 PMAustralian Magic

No.

It's a war and during war people die.

What's next? Direct B-4 hit can't kill a single model?

And what's is RANDOM wipe? Seeing that part of the map is under heavy fire and despite that going there with infantry just to get wiped?

Standing in front of tank?

Watching flying nade without trying to dodge it?

That's not random wipe. That's stupidity or being out-microed.

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2016, 21:15 PMStug life

random wipe is when your inf is in green cover and get killed by random tank shoot or when you hear a mortar shell and you move your squad only to get killed the moment you moved or staying in yellow cover for 1 sec and getting wiped (all at full health)

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2016, 21:21 PMAustralian Magic

And how often that happens? Once for 20 games? And it's happening to both sides.

IIRC it's impossible for nade/mortar to kill full health squad in green cover (not sure about yellow).

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2016, 21:48 PMStug life

yea that s the problem it happen often and happen to both side
while we do this we nerf the blobber a win-win situation after all this game emphasize unit preservation and tactics not random death and blobbing
its not fair to be in green cover and a tank pass around the corner to one shoot you rifleman vet 3 or pgren

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2016, 22:00 PMAustralian Magic

Once per X game is not often.

If you would do this, you would kill the whole game.

It's not win-win situation. It's win situation for worse player.

If I keep my squad in front of a tank and get wipe I should blame myself for not retreating.

If I couldn't dodge nade/wasnt aware of it, it's becasue my opponent out-played me.

Etc etc.

Then don't let enemy's tank to flank you, while you are in cover. Cover flanks with mines, keep recon unit close, know what your enemy is up to.

9/10 wipes are not "random".

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2016, 22:10 PMsynThrax

It is be totally ok, if a wipe of any kind is in its own way totally justified. Most situations have their own set up where this not only can happen, it has to somehow. I guess nobody would argue that anything wiped from a Sturmtiger shot is unfair.

But then there are theese out of nowhere hits on unspotted stuff , e. g. i lost an ISG from the first! ml20 shell into the fow. I think theese are the situations to discuss, it just feels frustrating.

And there is still the health factor.

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2016, 18:03 PMAustralian Magic

No.

It's a war and during war people die.

What's next? Direct B-4 hit can't kill a single model?

And what's is RANDOM wipe? Seeing that part of the map is under heavy fire and despite that going there with infantry just to get wiped?

Standing in front of tank?

Watching flying nade without trying to dodge it?

That's not random wipe. That's stupidity or being out-microed.