What does 'flame damage normalized' actually mean?

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2016, 08:35 AMTiger Baron

I also noticed the KV-8 overperforming against Infantry, let's nerf all Allied flamethrower tanks then!

Before it's too late and Relic add a Sherman Croc! Quick!

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2016, 08:36 AMKatitof

That means the damage for all flamers is the same.

Its 16 for all of them.

Difference come in the "rate of fire" and cooldowns.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2016, 08:36 AMAustralian Magic

If you noticed KV8 is OP then make a thread about it so I can disagree with you, since KV8 is perfectly all right.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2016, 08:38 AMTiger Baron

This guy... The Churchill Croc is also perfectly fine then as well, there.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2016, 08:25 AMAustralian Magic

Besides, I think Croc's flamethrower is overperforming a bit. It doesnt give you any chances to retreat teamweapon or move back at guns.

Jump back to quoted post24 Feb 2016, 20:51 PMCruzz

Their damage per burst is the same (except on the churchill...), but there are big differences in how long their bursts are and how big the delay between them is. To add to the confusion, the churchill croc also features two flamers with the exact same orientation so you only really see one effect.

Overall DPS for the vehicle flamers is more or less:

Churchill Croc > Flammenwerfer (both guns) > KV8 (***) > Flammenwerfer (one gun) = WASP = Hetzer

Crocodile only has a movement penalty on the weaker flamer that you are directly giving attack orders to, and flammenwerfer has no movement penalties either. The other vehicle flamers have 50% accuracy on the move, reducing damage against the model being attacked though otherwise probably not affecting performance.

***KV8 has a higher radius on DOT damage and more DOTS placed, so on a stationary target it might be as good as a croc (Ignoring the main gun).

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2016, 08:42 AMAustralian Magic

It's fine that you don't have a chance to reatreat any crew weapon?

OKAY....

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2016, 09:14 AMTiger Baron

Both of them are overperforming according to you then since they're better armored than the Hetzer, Flammwerfer and Wasp, the only other Allied Flame tank that could join them would be the Sherman Croc.

It's not just the Churchill croc but I believe it's only because it's an Armored tank WITH a flamethrower, something which the Germans have no equivalent of, well, maybe they would if Relic would add a Panzer III and gave it a sort of Flamm upgrade or something.

Edit: Since they all have the same damage try putting up a WASP against a weapon crew (frontally if you're feeling cheeky) and see if they won't have time to retreat, plus another support unit would force the WASP to retreat if the person doesn't want to lose it because of it's paper armor.

Edit 2: No the Armor is NOT the only reason it's ONE of the reasons.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2016, 09:22 AMAustralian Magic

WTF dude? Where did you figure out that according to me KV8 is OP?

MrSotko clearlt showed that Cros flamers is stronger than KV8 so what's the problem with you?

Cros has 2 flamers - KV9 has one.

So I did a test.

KV8 needs 19-20secs to wipe maxim.

Croc needs 14secs.

As for the poor 4men crew, it need 8secs to kill, while KV8 14secs.

Hetzer needs 23secs to wipe maxim.

But you know, all have the same damage

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2016, 11:08 AMTiger Baron

Hey, I'm not arguing it's what Relic said, all flamethrower weapons do 16 damage, not my prob that they designed the Croc badly.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2016, 08:19 AMCyanara

Question in the title.

Basically, I notice squads are still lucky to survive even on retreat against a Croc, but a Hetzer is lucky if it can kill something in green cover. I'm not sure in what way this is considered normalized.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2016, 14:11 PMAustralian Magic

Then stop satuing bullshit that accoring to me KV8 is OP, becasue same damage means nothing when you look at other stats.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2016, 16:14 PMTiger Baron

I've searched for the word OP in this entire topic WITHOUT me editing any of my comments and I have no comment that accuses you of saying that the KV8 is OP.

You Aussies sure are whack tho, on the defensive even when I'm not attacking you lol.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2016, 16:14 PMTiger Baron

I've searched for the word OP in this entire topic WITHOUT me editing any of my comments and I have no comment that accuses you of saying that the KV8 is OP.

"I also noticed the KV-8 overperforming against Infantry, let's nerf all Allied flamethrower tanks then!"