t34/85 is a bit too cheap

cheap as shit is too expensive for you? okw p4 100f 500mp cheaper than 3485. P4 > t70 as much as 3485 >p4 in terms of its unlock res.

I dont consider that a worthwhile discussion. especially since the su tier 3 have some of the most cost effective units in the game.

Both p4's are underperforming for cost and should be brought to 110 for the ostheer and 125 for the okw .

Panzer 4 Can deal Same tier tank but problem when deal upper tier like
T-34/85 and Easy 8
and Panzer 4 slow speed without Blitz For Flank Compare other tank
and armor 180 low chance for defect For T-34/85 and easy 8
But like Ostheer need combine arms like infantry Right ?

Panzer 4 Can deal Same tier tank but problem when deal upper tier like T-34/85 and Easy 8

Yes, units of lower tier tend to lose to units of higher tier of same role.

and Panzer 4 slow speed without Blitz For Flank Compare other tank

P4 speed-6,3
T34 speed-6,5
Sherman speed-6,4
Cromwell speed-7

The only comparable tank that is faster then in any noticeable way is Cromwell and even then, its not THAT much of a difference.

and armor 180 low chance for defect For T-34/85 and easy 8
But like Ostheer need combine arms like infantry Right ?

Both 34/85 and E8 are tanks at least half tier stronger then standard T3 armor of any faction, this isn't an issue at all.
Much much cheaper StuG will make a short work of both and OKW P4 with its 234 armor is more then a match for them both, especially if blackened by JP4.

Don't forget P4 with vet2 + smoke is practically unkillable, Allied tank can only dream of that level of scaling.

Yes, units of lower tier tend to lose to units of higher tier of same role.


P4 speed-6,3
T34 speed-6,5
Sherman speed-6,4
Cromwell speed-7

The only comparable tank that is faster then in any noticeable way is Cromwell and even then, its not THAT much of a difference.


Both 34/85 and E8 are tanks at least half tier stronger then standard T3 armor of any faction, this isn't an issue at all.
Much much cheaper StuG will make a short work of both and OKW P4 with its 234 armor is more then a match for them both, especially if blackened by JP4.

dear kat could you post acceleration too ? And rotation please

Both 34/85 and E8 are tanks at least half tier stronger then standard T3 armor of any faction, this isn't an issue at all.
Much much cheaper StuG will make a short work of both and OKW P4 with its 234 armor is more then a match for them both, especially if blackened by JP4.

And what are the 34/85's and E8's cost compared to the P4?

dear kat could you post acceleration too ? And rotation please

It might be outdated but since most units haven't change it migh be useful.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kzY9-UwZSQ19_EL3LTZoBHjMCwD1ZaDrEtedjKap4wM/edit#gid=110608506

Soviet has a good unit that performs good against german almighty steel = NERF IT REEEEELIC.

It's always the same story with axis players.

Ok so let's make some calculations here:
The soviet guards meta has been nerded already in all ways, so that :

1- Guards can't button your tanks anymore
2- T34/85 isn't a call in (so you CAN'T skip T3 and T4 anymore)

But hey ! it's not enough, the T34/85 is still too cheap for axis babbies.

Stug life thinks the T34/85 received an indirect buff because they buffed the T34 MG (who wasn't shooting before due to a bug).


160mp/25fuel for tier 1 or 2
240mp/85 fuel for tier 3
240mp/90 fuel for tier 4

380mp/130 fuel for ONE T34/85

=1020mp/320 fuel in total

That's not including what you will spend for regular infantry, and light tanks if you need any and upgrades.

How much do you need again for a Panzer IV?
An ostheer scout car costs 15 fuel right now, are you kidding?
No infantry upgrades requires fuel.
All you need to do is spend 80 fuel and 40 to reach tier 2.
Then 135fuel for a Panzer 4 who performs just about the same as a T34/85, minus the pen against heavy tanks.


How is the T34 mg an indirect buff? because it does well against infantry it should be nerfed?

This tank whole purpose is to be able to kill both inf and target heavy tanks.
The armor is ridiculousely bad.

Once again, just learn to play.
You talk about it as if this tank can be spammed or is an IS2.

Therefor is you increase the cost, a commander like armored doctrine will become uselesS.

Soviet has a good unit that performs good against german almighty steel = NERF IT REEEEELIC.

It's always the same story with axis players.

Ok so let's make some calculations here:
The soviet guards meta has been nerded already in all ways, so that :

1- Guards can't button your tanks anymore
2- T34/85 isn't a call in (so you CAN'T skip T3 and T4 anymore)

But hey ! it's not enough, the T34/85 is still too cheap for axis babbies.

Stug life thinks the T34/85 received an indirect buff because they buffed the T34 MG (who wasn't shooting before due to a bug).


160mp/25fuel for tier 1 or 2
240mp/85 fuel for tier 3
240mp/90 fuel for tier 4

380mp/130 fuel for ONE T34/85

=1020mp/320 fuel in total

That's not including what you will spend for regular infantry, and light tanks if you need any and upgrades.

How much do you need again for a Panzer IV?
An ostheer scout car costs 15 fuel right now, are you kidding?
No infantry upgrades requires fuel.
All you need to do is spend 80 fuel and 40 to reach tier 2.
Then 135fuel for a Panzer 4 who performs just about the same as a T34/85, minus the pen against heavy tanks.


How is the T34 mg an indirect buff? because it does well against infantry it should be nerfed?

This tank whole purpose is to be able to kill both inf and target heavy tanks.
The armor is ridiculousely bad.

Once again, just learn to play.
You talk about it as if this tank can be spammed or is an IS2.

Therefor is you increase the cost, a commander like armored doctrine will become uselesS.

23 game with motor guard between all mode lost only 4 2 were afk and 1 was noob and the other vs stug spam = no chance
And no I didn't say to nerf it I just said that it fit meta very well right now did not ask for nerf
I really like my strat very aggressive with no tier 2 get 1 guard or 2 a su 76 then spam t34/85 rember at least 2 penal
So stop accusing me to nerf it
And stop being fan boy

Sorry, I'm not talking only to you when I say L2P.
I read you wrong, only talkign to people asking for stupid nerf.

using panthers against either the 85 or e8 is a very good way to lose. everybody knows that stugs and jp's are way better medium tank killers then the panthers. well anybody except you.

That said 85's are fine omly the p4's of both factions are a bit to expensive.

the panther is beast at killing allied meds. engage at range at first, allied meds will never pen, you will. once their health is lower u can chase and smash. if your panther is getting swarmed hit blitzkrieg and poof in seconds, bait the retard mobiles (t3485) into AT/snares. free kills ))

of course this is under the assumption that u know how to hit the stop key whenever your panther is about to shoot. problem with jpziv and stug is that when going for chase it is way easy for them to get flanked. they are much better at keeping allied armor away, but not better at killing. ofc against moronic opponents that dont realize their tanks are getting hit then sure stug and jpz are better.

the panther is beast at killing allied meds. engage at range at first, allied meds will never pen, you will. once their health is lower u can chase and smash. if your panther is getting swarmed hit blitzkrieg and poof in seconds, bait the retard mobiles (t3485) into AT/snares. free kills ))

Your entire theory falls apart when you realise that the panthers simply doesnt have the firepower it needs to deal with a couple of 85's e8 or su shermans. i think it nearly takes a 40 seconfs for a panther to kill an 85 at midrange. 2 stugs on th eotherhand will kill the 85/e8 under 10 seconds.

despite your claims panthers are not invincible they will get penetrated by the above mentioned tanks.

23 game with motor guard between all mode lost only 4 2 were afk and 1 was noob and the other vs stug spam = no chance
And no I didn't say to nerf it I just said that it fit meta very well right now did not ask for nerf
I really like my strat very aggressive with no tier 2 get 1 guard or 2 a su 76 then spam t34/85 rember at least 2 penal
So stop accusing me to nerf it
And stop being fan boy

Soo.... Where is your PC? Why are you not top 20 already?

Soo.... Where is your PC? Why are you not top 20 already?

Because there is no leaderboards for comp stomps

Soo.... Where is your PC? Why are you not top 20 already?

I total not 24 in 1vs1 ,2vs2 etc
Like 4 1vs1 8 2vs2 8 3vs3 4 4vs4
( the noob was in 2 vs 2 the afk I let you guess )
Btw try it skip tier 2 use penal day win all engagement the su 76 and guard for at (no su 76 for balzy play) the t 34/85 spam

think all allied medium tanks are just a bit to way over the top.

think all allied medium tanks are just a bit to way over the top.

+1

160mp/25fuel for tier 1 or 2
240mp/85 fuel for tier 3
240mp/90 fuel for tier 4

380mp/130 fuel for ONE T34/85

=1020mp/320 fuel in total

This is an incredibly fallacious way to look at cost. After the tier is opened every 34/85 produced puts you ahead on the cost efficiency curve. The 34/85 performs closer to a panther regarding AT and much better than anything axis has for AI. It's an extremely cost efficient beast.

the cost of the 85 cant be compared vs other factions medium tanks because the soviet medium armour doesnt follow the rules that the other factions do.

This, ffs.

All you people trying to argue over which medium is the most cost-efficient need to stop getting bogged down in stats and hypothetical 1v1s. Trying to distill all the aspects of a unit's stats, vet abilities, timings, synergy with other units etc. into some quantifiable measure of 'performance' is totally impossible. It can be a useful place to start but it's not enough to make any serious decisions with.

Also, the idea that all similar units should be equal in cost-effectiveness is not only impossible but it's also completely unnecessary. IMO it's fine that one faction has a better-value medium tank than another, because some factions rely heavily on meds for their late game while others lean more on heavy tanks or TDs. Of course, this can become a problem when the efficiency gap is too large, or if a faction has the advantage across-the-board, but that doesn't apply to the current situation.

T34/85 is fine. It still has all the same drawbacks - lackluster accuracy, crappy abilities, high micro requirement. The only thing that changed was the MG and it really wasn't by much.