How would you address new factions' powercreep?

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2016, 01:53 AMTiger Baron

Think of it like socialism, why bring in something new and unique if you're just going to dumb it down to basic, ground level because these and these people aren't able to cope with it?

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2016, 23:50 PMeasierwithaturret

I don't like it, axis CQC squads (namely pgrens and sturmpios, that's basically all that's worth mentioning) are already struggling to remain relevant outside niche roles due to unremarkable durability and low model counts. They still work well in the ambush and defensive roles in cover, but their problem is GETTING to cover; they so often lose a model trying to get there and with that 25% DPS drop they no longer have much of an advantage against most decent infantry squads.

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2016, 02:56 AMFiresparks

this is how game diversity dies, with double lmg, 5 men, and terminator vet for grenadier and volks

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2016, 02:37 AMeasierwithaturret

I don't think comparing two different political, economic and philosophical systems is an appropriate analogy to video game balance. Besides nobody (at least, nobody sensible) is arguing for across the board nerfs to WFA & brits, or removal of their interesting mechanics. What we are trying to say is that if there are a few units or features that are overpowered it makes more sense to bring them back to a more reasonable level.

More on topic: I don't think the powercreep has been contained to just WFA. The recent patch contained primarily buffs for Ostheer and Soviets, mostly buffs with some nerfs (net buff overall) to USF, no real change/slight nerf to Brits, and a nerf to OKW.

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2016, 11:31 AMTiger Baron

Believe me when I say it that I've seen forward retreat and automatic repairs (from OKW for example) or at least the high repair rate of the WFA being superior to that of the EFA being nerfed being suggested.

And the political comparison is the closest thing I could thing of at that moment but yeah considering it was very late night you're kinda right about it now that I think about it.

Still, why not bring up a few EFA units up to WFA levels again, instead of nerfing them. What comes to my mind first is the EFA main line infantry units, those being the Grenadiers and Cons.

I mean, how are you exactly going to nerf the KT down to Tiger levels without losing any credibility for the game being "realistic" (what little realism there is left) and without an uproar from the Axis player base? Of course this just an example but I think you understand what I'm talking about and I agree that there is a gap that needs to be bridged between the WFA and EFA before the support for the game ends.

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2016, 11:51 AMKatitof

Power creep affects repair speeds and infantry strength.
WFA general infantry have strength of EFA elite call-ins.

There isn't much issue with armor, especially now that allied stock TDs are more then a match for axis heavies.

At the end, it still boils down to EFA veterancy being just inferior to WFA and up and I'm not even talking about raw bonuses, but vet1 abilities and passives as well, which EFA simply do not have, EFA vet1 for everything that isn't ost tank or SU penals is just a cosmetic, at best a gimmick while WFA and UKF have all useful, meaningful and interesting vet1, often affecting direct gameplay. You won't find the same for extremely passive, generalized and boring vet1 of EFA.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2016, 02:47 AMGenObi

its only you not the game, L2P issue across the board

Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2016, 23:21 PMDonnieChan

remove brits

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2016, 12:13 PMRealName

maybe you should tell that to yourself, because I saw you getting rekt as OKW live on miragefla's stream a couple days ago

also by "l2p across the board" do you also mean Vindicare, a top 50 1v1 player? or the 60 people who agreed WFA-EFA balance is off?

ok then Genoobie, I'll be glad to tell all those scrubs about your "I'm right, you're all wrong" opinion then.

Jump back to quoted post1 Aug 2016, 06:07 AMGenObi

Yeah bro, fighting top 50 player matches that's gotta be some sort of insult.

Jump back to quoted post1 Aug 2016, 22:19 PMRealName

What kind of botched english is that supposed to be. Is that referring to my first sentence or my second?

And before you tell all the people here who agreed that Ostheer is UP (and all of them probly better than you) to L2P, please do so yourself first. Seriously, it's cringy. And hilarious seeing how badly you got stomped.