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Francis
25 Jun 2016, 19:03 PM
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"MY" view is that the US mortar in tier 0 makes it a bit too easy to get out.

So, how about, placing the mortar in the Sergeant tier, and moving the pack howitzers to either doctrines (I.E. replacing the 57mm AT gun from Airborne and Recon Support, since the Pack howitzer was really a mountain and airborne infantry weapon), OR....

"MY" second suggestion is the least likely one to have everyone to agree, but i'd say make it air droppable by the Major (no really...)


Any other suggestions? :help:
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Omega_Warrior
25 Jun 2016, 19:10 PM
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The entire point of the mortar was to add diversity to USF opening, and so they can actually engage garrisons in the first few minutes of the game. Your suggestion basically doesn't address the reason the mortar was added in the first place.

Once the mortar gets some well deserved nerfs to it's stats it will be just fine. Just like it was fine in the mod before they replaced it with a mortar that was twice as good for no reason.
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PencilBatRation
25 Jun 2016, 19:21 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Jun 2016, 02:12 AMcomm_ash


All we wanted was a shitty, short range, manpower only smoke dispenser, so that we could open up more playstyles.



This post reflects my own view, which I've stated earlier.
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Arclyte
25 Jun 2016, 19:45 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Jun 2016, 19:21 PMPencilBatRation



This post reflects my own view, which I've stated earlier.


"a shitty smoke dispenser"

lol, of course that's your view

If wehr can get their MG42 out of their t0 base, then I don't see why USF can't have a t0 mortar.
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PencilBatRation
25 Jun 2016, 19:52 PM
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I can't see why grens aren't allowed to have 2 additional models and be built from the HQ for 280 MP either.:guyokay:
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some one
25 Jun 2016, 20:43 PM
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Mortar tier is fine
Bugs and accuracy and rate of fire is not fine
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Firesparks
25 Jun 2016, 20:45 PM
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the mortar needs its performance brought in line with the rest of the mortar first. the current us mortar would have been overpowered with any of the five factions.


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BeefSurge
25 Jun 2016, 22:42 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Jun 2016, 19:52 PMPencilBatRation
I can't see why grens aren't allowed to have 2 additional models and be built from the HQ for 280 MP either.:guyokay:


Okay then increase RA to conscript level and have fun with that bleed, you'll build 2 Grens tops.
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Katitof
25 Jun 2016, 22:45 PM
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People complain that USF only blobs, because they can't do anything else.

Relic adds another unit they could add to BOs.

People complain that USF does not only blob.

#coh2community :snfBarton:
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Domine
25 Jun 2016, 22:57 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Jun 2016, 22:45 PMKatitof
People complain that USF only blobs, because they can't do anything else.

Relic adds another unit they could add to BOs.

People complain that USF does not only blob.

#coh2community :snfBarton:



Okay, and what was wrong with pre-patch USF that they cannot do anything but blob? And how comes there are so many USF players that don't blob and make it into top ten?


And what makes you think USF blobbing has suddenly stopped??



And btw, you consider the fact that currently USF has the best mortar in the game at T0 fine, am I understanding that correctly?
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Katitof
25 Jun 2016, 23:04 PM
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Replace blob with spam. :sibPheasant:
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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nee
25 Jun 2016, 23:53 PM
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Put Mortar into LT tier, or make it a T2-3 unlock like OKW MG34, and reduce LT tech cost. Why is it even so high anyways? Besides Soviets everyone else has MG at T0, and Soviets only need 20 fuel to access T2 for their team weapons.

If you want to talk about diversifying opening strategies, then a more attractive LT investment first is the way to go. Besides 50 fuel cost, LT teching takes quite a while as well.
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PencilBatRation
26 Jun 2016, 03:19 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Jun 2016, 22:42 PMBeefSurge

And allow 2x lmg42 upgrades.:guyokay:

jump backJump back to quoted post25 Jun 2016, 23:53 PMnee
Put Mortar into LT tier, or make it a T2-3 unlock like OKW MG34, and reduce LT tech cost.
Lol that won't solve anything but make a 3 minute M20 plausible.


The only solution is removing it altogether as both axis factions are heavily reliant on building and cover usage to have a slim change against RM.
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medhood
26 Jun 2016, 03:55 AM
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You could put the .50cal in T1 and Mortar in T2 people would complain about, it doesnt matter what extra unit is place in t1 people are gonna complain about it cause they were used to Rifle spam

They just need to nerf the Mortar so its good against only static MGs, Buildings and good at popping smoke that is what USF needed in the early game

Not a No-skill unit that erases squads off the map
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nee
26 Jun 2016, 07:32 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post26 Jun 2016, 03:19 AMPencilBatRation
And allow 2x lmg42 upgrades.:guyokay:

that won't solve anything but make a 3 minute M20 plausible.
Ah forgot about the vehicles; raise their fuel cost?
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