OKW can be killed in less than 5 minutes

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2016, 14:11 PMLOLw0wwww

I don't understand why OKW is complaining about having side upgrades...for once. How is ~100 manpower and 15 fuel too expensive, or "fucking stupid" for medics...when USF has to pay 100 something manpower and 25 fuel just to throw a hand grenade. Not to mention 250 manpower and 10 fuel for an ambo.

Can anyone please answer me this question and explain how OKW players can possibly find a way to complain, or am I losing my mind over here?

Let's look at USF healing and upgrades. To get an ambulance, a bar on a rife squad, and a hand grenade...the USF has to spend 4/500 manpower (exact number eludes me), 45 fuel and 60 munitions. All just to have proper healing, a bar and a hand grenade...

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2016, 14:29 PMElSlayer

To get healing you need to pay for:
- SwS truck call-in
- Battlegroup HQ building
- Medics unlock

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2016, 08:48 AMElSlayer

Code

Range:					10	20	35
DPS change on model with StG:		+135%	+108%	+33%

Total DPS:		
5 x kar_98k_rifle_mp			17.3	13.5	9.05

3 x kar_98k_rifle_mp			10.38	8.1	5.43
2 x mp44_smg_mp				16.28	11.24	4.8
3 x kar_98k_rifle_mp + 2 mp44_smg_mp 	26.66	19.34	10.23

Total squad DPS change:			+54%	+43%	+13%

Math is hard.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2016, 14:02 PMPencilBatRation

The devil has spoken himself: https://www.coh2.org/topic/53915/wc51-vs-okw-new-patch


To summarize again.

- Faust t0o expensive, teching shouldn't be required.

- The cost for medics is fucking stupid, haha.

- Give volks an alternate upgrade.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2016, 13:41 PMAustralian Magic

Junk? Whatever bro...

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2016, 14:50 PMEsxile

Lol, Do you live outside of this forum? Didn't mention faust but shreck, now OKW has to carefully choose between upgrades. But OKW has the exact same access to tools to counter the WC51 as before, in fact they have one more tool with the faust.
Point is you cannot anymore rely on volkshreck to counter everything facing you which gives more room for early vehicle play.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2016, 14:32 PMKatitof

Time to use that spio medcrates then?
Fast luchs was meta for months now, you got healing with 2nd truck, incredibly late.

If healing wasn't an issue when you went mechanized first, it won't be an issue now.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2016, 14:53 PMsinthe

Cool story, bro. A single screen shot is totally proof of your position. Oh, wait. Even in a game you were dominating (over at 31 min) your volks squad took almost as much damage as they dealt!

I've ran a few tests with the new cheat mod and volks with stgs can barely beat cons in a variety of situations. The upgrade is junk. The DPS increase is N 35%, M 30% and F 11%. Rifles for example have a 50% DPS increase with bars at close range. This IA upgrade is literally the worst AI upgrade in the game.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2016, 10:02 AMBrickTop

Thats what i said already omg. He said okw pays for healing (others has it free for sure) I said okw doesnt pay for other things which paid by other factions. Now you are telling me allies get free things DID I MENTION ALLIES GET EVERYTHING FREE?

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2016, 14:53 PMsinthe

Cool story, bro. A single screen shot is totally proof of your position. Oh, wait. Even in a game you were dominating (over at 31 min) your volks squad took almost as much damage as they dealt!

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2016, 15:02 PMAustralian Magic

And tell me, how much double BARs cost? And how much STGs?

Ability to soak damage is desired for all types of units.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2016, 14:58 PMsinthe

Why is it that only OKW is sacrificing it's AT abilities? If handheld AT is such a problem why does USF have both snares and handheld AT still availible on their core infantry.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2016, 15:00 PMsinthe

Healing will take even longer now. If you mech truck your going to have to get the side upgrade to keep your AT SP on the field.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2016, 15:11 PMKatitof

Because only OKW had overpowered, laser guided, alpha strike AT on cheap, durable platform.
It was never an issue for USF, because you can't spam rifles, because upkeep will eat you alife, you can't spam zooks on all squads because you'll lose too much AI and if you don't spam zooks, you won't have the alpha strike capabilities the shreck had.



OH MY RNGOD!

POOR POOR OKW, forced to actually make an economical decision like every other army in game!
I guess its good that volks can still get lots of exp from fausts and auto heal at vet3.

No more special snowflake time, manage your economy like any other army

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2016, 15:06 PMsinthe

Are you saying that the STG44 package isn't the worst AI upgrade in the game?

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2016, 15:15 PMAustralian Magic

You should meet PTRS upgrade or PPSH upgrade.

Still havent answerd why do you think that 120ammo upgrade shouldnt be better than 60ammo.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2016, 15:11 PMKatitof

OH MY RNGOD!

POOR POOR OKW, forced to actually make an economical decision like every other army in game!
I guess its good that volks can still get lots of exp from fausts and auto heal at vet3.

No more special snowflake time, manage your economy like any other army

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2016, 15:11 PMKatitof

Because only OKW had overpowered, laser guided, alpha strike AT on cheap, durable platform.
It was never an issue for USF, because you can't spam rifles, because upkeep will eat you alife, you can't spam zooks on all squads because you'll lose too much AI and if you don't spam zooks, you won't have the alpha strike capabilities the shreck had.



OH MY RNGOD!

POOR POOR OKW, forced to actually make an economical decision like every other army in game!
I guess its good that volks can still get lots of exp from fausts and auto heal at vet3.

No more special snowflake time, manage your economy like any other army

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2016, 15:20 PMDomine

Except OKW is the only one that has to make such a decision.

Sov healing 250mp, OKW healing 55 fuel + 400 or 500 mp


Absolutely the same Kappa