Any opinions on the new USF mortar?

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2016, 16:55 PMBronski

Did soviet mortars make mgs obsolete?

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2016, 17:00 PMIncendiaryRounds

Soviets have a harder time dealing with mgs. Molotovs don't insta-kill mg crew. Conscripts don't flank as well cuz their rifles aren't semi-auto (don't deal as much damage.) They don't have non-doctrinal smoke so, soviets deserve a mortar.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2016, 17:00 PMIncendiaryRounds

Soviets have a harder time dealing with mgs. Molotovs don't insta-kill mg crew. Conscripts don't flank as well cuz their rifles aren't semi-auto (don't deal as much damage.) They don't have non-doctrinal smoke so, soviets deserve a mortar.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 06:35 AMBeefSurge

Only advice I can give is building mortars of you're own and using the vet 1 ability, or using your 251/250/222 to try and take it out. Ost is in for hell against USF next patch though.

.50 cal hardcountering 222/Puma and infantry

M20 hardcountering sniper, soft countering 222 and infantry

Mortar countering MG42/Pak

Rifles soft counter everything, hardcounter light vehicles, MG42, or infantry depending on muni upgrade

USF will reliably have the ability to push Ost off the map in 12 minutes

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 06:40 AMSuper Vegeta

Ostheer is in for hell against every Allied faction. The faction is outdated. Still looking forward to USF motar though, will be helpful vs OKW with smoke etc.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 06:35 AMBeefSurge

Only advice I can give is building mortars of you're own and using the vet 1 ability, or using your 251/250/222 to try and take it out. Ost is in for hell against USF next patch though.

.50 cal hardcountering 222/Puma and infantry Supression still meh so only really good against light vehicule, finally

M20 hardcountering sniper, soft countering 222 and infantry Not hardcounter inf, adds more DPS but it's not a one man squad/army, M20 get Hardcounter by 222

Mortar countering MG42/Pak Mortar countering bunkers first, you don't let ur units be killed one by one by a mortar, don't you ?

Rifles soft counter everything, hardcounter light vehicles, MG42, or infantry depending on muni upgrade Like grens with mg42 upgrade soft counter inf, and pzgrens hard counter armor with ammo, and mg42 hardcounter light vehicule and inf with ammo too

USF will reliably have the ability to push Ost off the map in 12 minutes

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 07:34 AMIA3 - HH

usf have tier 1 mortar because devs are racist

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 07:34 AMIA3 - HH

usf have tier 1 mortar because devs are racist

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 08:24 AMKatitof

Now that is one utterly idiotic comment.

What kept Ost early alive against USF is the 222, the sacrifice of sniper counter and HMG for AT, and the lack of indirect. I'll give ingame examples.

IE 3 rifle, mortar>LT>M20>.50 cal

Previously Grens could bleed rifles by engaging at range in better cover-now they get to taste the mortar, and if they reposition Rifles advance and trade better.

MG42 in buildings/choke point= hello, mortar.

.50 cal ability to shred M20 means that a .50 cal - M20 working together can hypothetically stop everything Ost has short of Paks until armor rolls out-note that as of this patch, USF can get by against Ost with only solid rifle play into the Stuart meta.

Ost will be forced to move units due to mortar, will be unable to use 222 offensively due to the .50 cal, unless it goes somewhere else. But then it can't defend the sniper, and because the M20 is pursuing the sniper he can't shoot at the Rifles + mortar combo that are clubbing the poor Grens and MG42s to death by forcing repositions with smoke and the standard mortar auto attack. Once you put LMGs or flamer REs and rifle flares into the mix it only gets worse for Ost, too.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 08:49 AMThoseDeafMutes

It's obvious sarcasm

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2016, 10:55 AMnee

I personally think it's a bit weird being in T0. I would have made them LT unlock, though that might make them a bit "too much" like the other factions...but then again they made MG34 a T0 for OKW.