IR STG or MG34 LMG

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24 May 2016, 16:58 PMwouren

The only thing that will protect you adequately from the deadly reign of STG44s is a fighting position. Because the cover type is different than other garrisons, it actually does not get negated.

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the fighting position uses the same cover type as normal garrisons.

which uses the same target table as green cover, at least for the IR STG?

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IR STG all the way.

24 May 2016, 14:49 PMwouren

Does not negate cover. Does in the ballpark of open damage against light cover and does in the ballpark of light cover damage against heavy cover and garrisons, and finally heavy cover damage against trenches. Hard countered by PPSH cons for some reason in my experience.

Not exactly. But it's also not precise saying it just negates cover.

Light/Heavy cover gives 0.5 accuracy bonus, and garrison 0.55. STG acc modifier is set at 0.9. Damage modifiers remain.

IIRC they also grant +25 camo detection.

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24 May 2016, 17:11 PMCookiezNcreem

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the fighting position uses the same cover type as normal garrisons.

which uses the same target table as green cover, at least for the IR STG?

Really? I thought it used bunker type. Sorry for the mistake.

24 May 2016, 18:41 PMelchino7

IR STG all the way.

Not exactly. But it's also not precise saying it just negates cover.

Light/Heavy cover gives 0.5 accuracy bonus, and garrison 0.55. STG acc modifier is set at 0.9. Damage modifiers remain.

IIRC they also grant +25 camo detection.

If you multiply the received accuracy by the reduced damage you get the following numbers:

Cover Type	Normal weapon DPS percent	STG44 DPS percent
Negative	156%	156%
Light	50%	90%
Heavy	25%	45%
Garrison	27.5%	45%
Trench	6%	20%

Notice the trend for the STG44 to equate to a damage amount one rung better than normal weapons (except for negative)

Source: stat.coh2.hu

Weapons compared:

STG44:
http://stat.coh2.hu/weapon.php?filename=waffen_mp44_infrared

Obersolaten K98 (normal weapon profile against cover):
http://stat.coh2.hu/weapon.php?filename=waffen_wlite_kar_98k_rifle_mp

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I prefer the LMG on open maps and STGs for more urban/CQ maps.

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24 May 2016, 20:02 PMwouren

Cover Type Normal weapon DPS percent STG44 DPS percent
Negative 156% 156%
Light 50% 90%
Heavy 25% 45%
Garrison 27.5% 45%
Trench 6% 20%

Notice the trend for the STG44 to equate to a damage amount one rung better than normal weapons (except for negative)

Source: stat.coh2.hu

Weapons compared:

STG44:
http://stat.coh2.hu/weapon.php?filename=waffen_mp44_infrared

Obersolaten K98 (normal weapon profile against cover):
http://stat.coh2.hu/weapon.php?filename=waffen_wlite_kar_98k_rifle_mp

everybody makes mistakes.

also I dont mean to be annoying but the "trench" cover type isnt used in the regular game, the ostheer trench is heavy cover and the british trench is regular garrison cover

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Except dont go all obers with STG and zero sheck's, coz youll get owned by 1 T70

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24 May 2016, 22:00 PMCookiezNcreem

everybody makes mistakes.

also I dont mean to be annoying but the "trench" cover type isnt used in the regular game, the ostheer trench is heavy cover and the british trench is regular garrison cover

Woah look at all of these mistakes I'm making