In cover or out of cover? Also, with the upgrade or without the upgrade? (Assuming w/o)
Also, assume if long range is 25/30/35 or inferior. Most people assume long range to actually be medium most of the time.
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29 Apr 2016, 18:56 PM
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Also, assume if long range is 25/30/35 or inferior. Most people assume long range to actually be medium most of the time.
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And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
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And if it is, you only care about winning.
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29 Apr 2016, 20:55 PM
#22
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In cover or out of cover? Also, with the upgrade or without the upgrade? (Assuming w/o)
both in heavy cover, penals without upgrade, since it would make them weaker in long range combat.
Also, assume if long range is 25/30/35 or inferior. Most people assume long range to actually be medium most of the time.
about max sight range, so it was like 30ish.
They are more expensive than grens.. And dedicated anti infantry units.
Why obers beat conscripts? Plz nerf!
/s
an default 300 unit wrecks a 240 squad with 60 ammo long range upgrade ? Penals should win in any situation against grens, except for a long range fight with lmg. However given the fact obers cost 400mp they should dominate penals as penals dominate grens, but they don't.
I will simply lol at anyone expecting such a change to a 2 year old general use infantry.
Equally possible are pershing for USF, IS-3 for soviets or ober nerf for OKW.
30 Apr 2016, 00:29 AM
#23
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Give them ability that spawns AT dog with mine attached to its back. The dog runs under the closest vehicle, no matter if friend or foe, and detonates the mine damaging its engine
Seriously though, problem with ideas in this thread is that you guys forget penals should not only be 'special' but also usefull, otherwise nobody will use them.
This is a new commander
30 Apr 2016, 00:33 AM
#24
Posts: 8
They are more expensive than grens.. And dedicated anti infantry units.
Why obers beat conscripts? Plz nerf!
/s
The problem is penal can beat ober with same vetenracy
1 May 2016, 03:31 AM
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haven't played balance mod, but p much everything wrong with penals came from their horrible scaling and shitty vet
they don't need to be USF rifles, they just need to not be terrible manpower sinks. cons are handy to keep around for soaking fire/warding vehicle flanks/clearing garrisons even if late game their damage is negligible.
every point of manpower you sink into penals becomes next to worthless lategame because they die so fast + cost so much, and you more or less need to use guard doctrines with them since T1 has no access to light-AT.
they don't need to be USF rifles, they just need to not be terrible manpower sinks. cons are handy to keep around for soaking fire/warding vehicle flanks/clearing garrisons even if late game their damage is negligible.
every point of manpower you sink into penals becomes next to worthless lategame because they die so fast + cost so much, and you more or less need to use guard doctrines with them since T1 has no access to light-AT.
16 May 2016, 03:16 AM
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After trying the mod, I think that penal battalions r absolutely OP.
I have an idea to make a difference: everybody knows that penal battalions r accompanied by other friendly units; thus we can establish a new setting that each penal battalion squad must be supervised by 3 conscript squads.This means that only when the soviet player owns X conscript squads can he/she own X/3 penal battalion(s), where X≥3.
This change must be cool.
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- It would be so much better if to use grens or MG42, you needed 5x Pios per non-pio squad.
- Would be so much funner
- Penals need specific building. They cost more than conscripts. Conscripts are T0.
- Why is it OP that they be superior?
- Clown Car's been nerfed into the ground, the MG42s have huge arcs
- Satchel has SHORT range and LONG timer
- By the time you have 4x squads, Germans have 2-3 MG42s. Penal would be completely useless.
- By making it obligatory to have so many units together, you've basically forbidden Soviets to cap.
(spread out and cap)
People complain the Soviets are useless.
Well, they are useless if you fight your units 1vs1. But they are all about Synergy.
What do I care if you have a Panther? Once you are crippled from running over a mine
I wait until you repair it with your 3x SturmPioneers and tell my 3x Mortars to fire at it.
did you know Vet 1 Mortars get FLARE?!
- 900 Manpower down the drain. - Panther still can't move worth a damn.
Well, they are useless if you fight your units 1vs1. But they are all about Synergy.
What do I care if you have a Panther? Once you are crippled from running over a mine
I wait until you repair it with your 3x SturmPioneers and tell my 3x Mortars to fire at it.
did you know Vet 1 Mortars get FLARE?!
- 900 Manpower down the drain. - Panther still can't move worth a damn.
16 May 2016, 03:17 AM
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haven't played balance mod, but p much everything wrong with penals came from their horrible scaling and shitty vet
they don't need to be USF rifles, they just need to not be terrible manpower sinks. cons are handy to keep around for soaking fire/warding vehicle flanks/clearing garrisons even if late game their damage is negligible.
every point of manpower you sink into penals becomes next to worthless lategame because they die so fast + cost so much, and you more or less need to use guard doctrines with them since T1 has no access to light-AT.
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- Well said!
- SVT40 rifles are like USF rifles 'Semi auto rifles'. Never understood why only Penals have them.
(Guards should have them)
- I think conscripts and penals should be upgradeable to Strelsky. with DP28 and SVT40 upgrades
People complain the Soviets are useless.
Well, they are useless if you fight your units 1vs1. But they are all about Synergy.
What do I care if you have a Panther? Once you are crippled from running over a mine
I wait until you repair it with your 3x SturmPioneers and tell my 3x Mortars to fire at it.
did you know Vet 1 Mortars get FLARE?!
- 900 Manpower down the drain. - Panther still can't move worth a damn.
Well, they are useless if you fight your units 1vs1. But they are all about Synergy.
What do I care if you have a Panther? Once you are crippled from running over a mine
I wait until you repair it with your 3x SturmPioneers and tell my 3x Mortars to fire at it.
did you know Vet 1 Mortars get FLARE?!
- 900 Manpower down the drain. - Panther still can't move worth a damn.
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