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Same problem as the Firefly, you need to invest tons of ammo in the tank to make it perform at 100% of his AT Capability which is flat-BS
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RealLife heavy tank =/= Coh2 heavytank
Coh2 heavy tanks are restricted to 1 at a time. Pershing is restricted to 1. It's a heavy tank by Coh2 standards. Period.
About the Pershing: It has better agility and gains vet faster. On the other hand the Tiger gets very powerful vet bonuses, especially vet2 with increased range and decreased scatter makes it vastly superior compared to the Pershing. At vet3 its speed comes close to that of the Pershing.
The Pershing goes down in 5 hits and is usually confronted with AT weapons that have higher penetration than the Tiger. For a Tiger 7 hits are needed.
There's also a variety of Tiger doctrines with different playstyles and lethal offmap abilities. The Pershing doctrine on the other hand is weak against defensive playstyles, especially Pak43 or superheavies. A quick death can also be delivered by a Command Panther.
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RealLife heavy tank =/= Coh2 heavytank
Coh2 heavy tanks are restricted to 1 at a time. Pershing is restricted to 1. It's a heavy tank by Coh2 standards. Period.
About the Pershing: It has better agility and gains vet faster. On the other hand the Tiger gets very powerful vet bonuses, especially vet2 with increased range and decreased scatter makes it vastly superior compared to the Pershing. At vet3 its speed comes close to that of the Pershing.
The Pershing goes down in 5 hits and is usually confronted with AT weapons that have higher penetration than the Tiger. For a Tiger 7 hits are needed.
There's also a variety of Tiger doctrines with different playstyles and lethal offmap abilities. The Pershing doctrine on the other hand is weak against defensive playstyles, especially Pak43 or superheavies. A quick death can also be delivered by a Command Panther.
As for OP, nice job with the stats and such. But I mean, different army. Different tanks? They are not ment to be mirrored?
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This guy gets it.
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Are you a team player or a 1v1 player?
In team games the Pershing isn't amazing but is still far and away the best tank USF can field.
In 1v1s its a great tank.
By all means I would love if it the Pershing got buffed though if that is what you are suggesting it needs. 210 fuel and 12cps would just mean the destruction can start just that little bit earlier.
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I used to play 1v1's but not anymore. Besides, heavy tanks are hardly even worth mentioning in 1v1's. If you're dragged into a 13 cp late game in 1v1 as USF, there's already a problem there. The game should've be over in the first 15 mins. Not discrediting the use of your heavy tank or skills, but axis clearly have the advantage late game and that's a whole nother topic I don't really care to discuss about.
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I have no idea who designed Pershing but it is completly different from what is should be if some history facts were used.
It should more more like a Panther with bit better AI and survability but also way slower. Keep in mind Pershing was slower than Tiger, yet in game it's a race car.
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I've heard it was called "heavy tank" to encourage Americans during fights. They were facing Tigers and other heavy stuff and to keep their morale high the highest command of US army ordered to call Pershing heavy tank.
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According to Tiger 1 Heavy Tank by Tom Jentz and doyle the maximum sustained speed for the Tiger I on a road is 20 kph. https://sc-cdn.scaleengine.net/i/f8a87cabe8c55b34fa80c77e7262aa9e1.png
According to multiple sources (Hunnicutt etc) the T26E3s maximum sustained road speed is 40 kph. http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/m26pershing.html
The M26 is twice as fast on a road on average.
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The Pershing is substantially faster (6 vs 4.7) substantially better acceleration (2 vs 1.5) and MASSIVELY better deceleration (4 vs 1.8).
The pershing gains +30% accel/decel on vet 1 whereas the tiger gains +20% speed +20% accel/decel on vet 3.
This leaves the tiger at vet 3 slower than the pershing (5.64) and with massively worse accel/decel. The pershing also gains its added nimbleness far earlier than the tiger.
All in all the Pershing is substantially more mobile than the tiger.
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Pershing's speed on road was 32km/h, Tiger's 38km/h.
It's what I see in my all books (more or less)
But nvm becasue it's on road, while in game we are mostly off road and Pershing sucked so much off road. Like a 10km/h slower than Tiger.
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The off road speed of the Tiger 1 is 15 kph
And the Pershing defintly wouldnt go 5 kph kek.
By the way what kind of source is that? Tom Jentz and Hunnicut have been some of the main sources for armor information since they base the statistics on documents from germany and aberdeen.
I have a book saying that the Tiger II is comparable to modern MBTs like the Abrams, and thats part of the reason why i would only keep myself to certain secondary sources.
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This particular one is written by polish guy who is specialized in WWII history and has many books about weaponery during WWII.
(for example in different book written by some US guy I can see Tiger with 45km/h while Pershing 46km/h on road).
As for the off road, Ive found that Pershing was about 8-12km/h, while tiger 16-20km/h.
But as we see numbers are really different depending on the source. Yet, Im quite confident that Tiger was faster on off road.
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Thank you. Now people can make a better comparison between the two. I've always hated how ppl leave out these very relevant stats.
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Because people who are looking at which heavy tank has better acceleration or deceleration are looking at the wrong stats lol.
That's like comparing penetration values of the bren carrier vs the kubelwagen.
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