Why does it cost 320 MP?
Why does the barrage ability cost 60 (SIXTY!) munitions?
It fires 1 shot for every 2 of the PAK and has less armor penetration.
Why? Why isn't the barrage 10 munitions or 15? I thought the tredeoff for its rate of fire was versatility?
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10 Mar 2016, 20:10 PM
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10 Mar 2016, 20:25 PM
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Why does it cost 320 MP?
Why does the barrage ability cost 60 (SIXTY!) munitions?
It fires 1 shot for every 2 of the PAK and has less armor penetration.
Why? Why isn't the barrage 10 munitions or 15? I thought the tredeoff for its rate of fire was versatility?
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10 Mar 2016, 20:43 PM
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Try the USF one, tell me what you think 
10 Mar 2016, 20:44 PM
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http://stat.coh2.hu/weapon.php?filename=75mm_pak_40_mp
http://stat.coh2.hu/weapon.php?filename=zis3_76mm_m1942__at_gun_mp
http://stat.coh2.hu/weapon.php?filename=zis3_76mm_m1942__at_gun_mp
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10 Mar 2016, 21:03 PM
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http://stat.coh2.hu/weapon.php?filename=75mm_pak_40_mp
http://stat.coh2.hu/weapon.php?filename=zis3_76mm_m1942__at_gun_mp
Pak OP, it has more suppression.
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10 Mar 2016, 21:06 PM
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Pak is great but the utility of barrage makes zis even better in many cases. Also with some commanders it gets camo just like raketenwerfer while being much more powerfull and deadly.
10 Mar 2016, 21:32 PM
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Camo is bad for long range no retreat gun. Noone ever used it in tournaments.
The barrage is overpriced 2 times minimum and doesnt fit for ATG in general.
The barrage is overpriced 2 times minimum and doesnt fit for ATG in general.
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10 Mar 2016, 21:34 PM
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I agree that the barrage is shitty ,but the zis don't need it. It is a good at gun.
10 Mar 2016, 21:42 PM
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M-42 cries in the corner.
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10 Mar 2016, 21:43 PM
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Data above shows that pak > zis. 50% chance Stun = any tank dead for 30 muni including is2 and 3485. absurd.
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10 Mar 2016, 21:56 PM
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People jump to conclusions. He is stating the ZiS is expensive for what it does. When the ZiS came out it was to tackle Ostheer mids and heavies but now it has the buffed OKW variants to deal with as well.
The ZiS is a solid AT but it is expensive considering its penetration on German frontal armor which is its primary role. The RNG on a panther frontal for example is only a slight deterant at best. At the current cost it is too expensive to spam late game if you are facing large numbers of tanks. At the current rate it needs a slight pen buff because of slow RoF.
The cost of 60 munitions IS excessive for the barrage as it currently stands. 2 mines or a demo/satchel charge is a better investment. Buff it/reduce the cost of it to match performance or replace it with something else like a flare for self spotting.
The ZiS is a solid AT but it is expensive considering its penetration on German frontal armor which is its primary role. The RNG on a panther frontal for example is only a slight deterant at best. At the current cost it is too expensive to spam late game if you are facing large numbers of tanks. At the current rate it needs a slight pen buff because of slow RoF.
The cost of 60 munitions IS excessive for the barrage as it currently stands. 2 mines or a demo/satchel charge is a better investment. Buff it/reduce the cost of it to match performance or replace it with something else like a flare for self spotting.
10 Mar 2016, 22:22 PM
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Come on, barrage is shit and we all know it.
I'd trade barrage for stun shot every single time.
I'd prefer 2 mines over 1 useless ZiS barrage.
I'd trade barrage for stun shot every single time.
I'd prefer 2 mines over 1 useless ZiS barrage.
10 Mar 2016, 23:39 PM
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Zis is good. Please instead frame your post in the form of a question:
"How do I use the Zis gun most effectively?"
"How do I use the Zis gun most effectively?"
10 Mar 2016, 23:52 PM
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Zis is good. Please instead frame your post in the form of a question:
"How do I use the Zis gun most effectively?"
Not as good as the Pak-40 or 6-lber.
Of course still better than 57 mm.
11 Mar 2016, 00:05 AM
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Some people wondering why ZiS has barrage. Answer is easy: ZiS-3 wasn't judt AT gun but field gun. Direct and indirect support fire in one gun. Like a B4 howitzers.
In game it's terrible, I would rather to have M1 57mm than this piece of crap which could be comparable to M-42. The problem is accuracy and RoF which is terrible and vet seems not helping either.
In game it's terrible, I would rather to have M1 57mm than this piece of crap which could be comparable to M-42. The problem is accuracy and RoF which is terrible and vet seems not helping either.
11 Mar 2016, 06:56 AM
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Zis has Alot going for it, 6man crew, the highest pen of all soviet non doc AT and the barrage is actually really great for machine guns if you dont have a mortar (or to use with the mortar) since the soviet have the luxury of not being able to upgrade anything ever since scaling is a dirty capitalist idea they have plenty of munitions to throw around.
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11 Mar 2016, 07:11 AM
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the highest pen of all soviet non doc AT
SU-85 have same pen.
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11 Mar 2016, 07:14 AM
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SU-85 have same pen.
Probably could have worded it better but that was my point... That their highest non doc pen is the that of their first and last dedicated AT units...
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11 Mar 2016, 07:42 AM
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Zis has Alot going for it, 6man crew, the highest pen of all soviet non doc AT and the barrage is actually really great for machine guns if you dont have a mortar (or to use with the mortar) since the soviet have the luxury of not being able to upgrade anything ever since scaling is a dirty capitalist idea they have plenty of munitions to throw around.
We must be playing a completely different style because with my flame penals satchel charging, engineers sweeping and mining and guards upgrades I'm always waiting on munitions.
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