Remove Terminator Vet OR Buff Axis Elite

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 15:25 PMAustralian Magic

Dem, I need to stop playing pirate verion and update my game to see how OP Cons blob with ppsh is

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 15:23 PMKatitof

Well, at least we now know he doesn't even know that other game modes bar 4v4 exist and we can safely disregard all of his balance comments

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 15:31 PMmycalliope

dont't worry these guys were saying arty cover,crocdile, commandos and what not are fine at brits launch.lol ...oh and yeah they were also saying buff aec, look what we got lol...m too sure these guys made rifle get their terminator vet in first place...

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 15:33 PMAustralian Magic

Quote me about arty cover, croc or commandos

(I assume many here even remember me whining about Croc on the alpha forum that it was OP )

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 14:20 PMmycalliope

like rangers are very good against vehicles..rangers can be ai or at...the comparison is between ai not at.so not in the context of what m talking about....also theres a Reason u dont see rangers bazooka spam.

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 15:44 PMKatitof

Feel free to quote me then

And you'd have to have your head deep in your rear to insist old AEC was fine as well.

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 16:34 PMwhitesky00

I see no normal pro-Axis posters chiming in.
On the topic of conscripts... I believe that everyone mentioned that there's almost no other viable build in 1s other than maxim spam because everything else is so weak including cons and penals. It seems that everyone was in agreement on that.

However, this post says cons are OP...
Just wondering, which am I to believe?

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 14:28 PMmycalliope

exactly usf as a faction encourages blobing ..thats what m emphasizing the vet 3 lets them close the distance relatively easy and the m1919 is just broken(maybe limit to 1)..still these units needed to looked at.

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 16:46 PMMittens

If they didnt have the vet 3 received accuracy buff they would bleed out in late game and become ineffective. The issue is that the faction core doesn't allow for late game and as USF you are on a timer until the end.

Would recomend adjusting tech rather than nerfing the unit outright cuz as it stands USF is somewhat working but only due to cheese. Its very limited in how it operates and means there is a set way to play USF or you lose the game instantly.

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 16:46 PMEtherealDragon

I'm pretty sure that Soviet meta maxim spam and the broken Veterency is proof enough that Cons need the Vet 3 to scale worth a damn. Rifleman also take fairly long to get Vet 3 after they increased the requirements. Let's not have a short memory of why they added the Vet 3 buff in the first place and we can all go back in time to when USF was nothing but a late game MP bleed fest.

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 16:50 PMmycalliope

that's why m saying give axis a counter to fight these blobs and buff the elite ai infy a little...most of the axis players only use rocket arty..these elite infy really feel up.

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 16:39 PMmycalliope

ok cons ppsh blob(even though their vet is not fully apllied due to vet bug) can be dealt with lets just say..ignore cons what about vet 3 rifles then..???

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 17:06 PMwhitesky00

I put rifles and volks in the same tier. They are both the best scaling mainline infantry in the game since they are available at start and last until mid-late game. As another poster mentioned, there's a reason why rifles were buffed in the first place because of late game bleed.
I feel if anything, there should be a small nerf to received accuracy? I believe the buff to make this last longer is too strong. Was it -20% received accuracy? I'm sure someone knows the percentage. If it's 20%, maybe 10% or 15% would be a better number.

I feel this is the same situation with the AEC. It was weak but they gave it a 2.5 AOE boost instead of like 1 or 1.5.

However for USF, it was originally a bigger problem because they had nothing late game. They had no heavies or tanky tanks to screen for the fragile Jackson and no arty to push enemies out of defensive positions except for commander related units now.

So, we'll see in March or April hopefully a better balance for penals, maxims, volks, and rifles.

Jump back to quoted post22 Feb 2016, 17:23 PMIntelligence209

Riflemen are able to

Have double AT
Have double AI (1919s)
Have double AI while on the move(bars)
Snare
Smoke
Thorw nades
Plant mines (doc)

Jack of all trades units.

I dis like how this is setup. Considering USF don't have much other infantry to rely on. I would prefer to see them not able to equip zooks. Or something.

I can't think of any other unit that is able to do as much. Something needs to change.