Soviet T3 and T4 suggestion

Move T-34/76 back to T3 with the SU-76. Keep Katy and SU-85 and doctrinal T-34/85 in T4.

Or at least allow T4 to be constructed separately - currently going T4 for the T-34/76 isn't worth it at all for soviets because T3 is required before that, resulting in too high fuel and manpower costs for a relatively rubbish unit that would come too late anyways. Currently the T-34/76 is the new SU-76, never used because it's simply not worth the teching costs.

Another idea would be to move T4 behind a sidetech unlock, which would allow you to build T4 without T3 but a bit cheaper. With the current tech structure I feel like the soviets are very limited to either getting a T-70 out asap or struggling through the mid-game and waiting for a call-in IS-2 if you can't afford a T-70 early enough.

absolutely. but they wont do it at least in close perspective

T34/76 in tier 3 sounds redundant. T4 85s and replacing the call-in with double T34/76s though is a solid way to go. Or an SU-85 pen/accuracy buff with an RoF nerf.

Replace T-34/76 with T-34/85

Replace doctrinal T-34/85 with KV-1

Replace counterattack KV-1 with KV-2

Trim all units to WFA/Brit level

Fixed but in Relic mind unreachable

The point is, you could opt to get a quick T-34/76 or wait a bit longer for better and more costly T-34/85. I think it's reasonable.

The point is, you could opt to get a quick T-34/76 or wait a bit longer for better and more costly T-34/85. I think it's reasonable.

It'll probably have the previous problem with the former 34-76 placement in T3 though - why get a T-70 when you can save just a bit longer for a medium? (Worst medium in the game, but still a medium)

That's why I'm in with people saying to swap 34-85s and 34-76s around.

It'll probably have the previous problem with the former 34-76 placement in T3 though - why get a T-70 when you can save just a bit longer for a medium? (Worst medium in the game, but still a medium)

That's why I'm in with people saying to swap 34-85s and 34-76s around.

Hmm yeah I see your point. The T-34/76 is a problematic unit, I think the T-70 is a lot better in the anti-infantry role. But if the T-34/76 would cost like 300 MP / 100 fuel, it would still be viable to get a T-70 first as a cheaper anti-inf shock unit and then transition into medium tanks or tech up to T4. But before that, the T-34/76 could use a slight buff.

Or make the T-34/76 an additional unlock for T3 for like 125 MP and 25 fuel if we're gonna have the T-34/85s in T4.

My suggestion is to have t34/76 buildable from t3 in batches of 2 only for the price of, say, 500 / 150.

Reasoning:
- time gating. By making them into a batch of 2 you ensure additional 3-4 minute wait before the first t34 can be rolled out (with the proviso that when they do come, there will be 2), giving Axis vehicles much needed breathing room.

- cost effectiveness / build incentive. Batching 2 tanks at once was always given at a discount, and a t34 sorely needs this discount to make it appealing. Even at 300/80 nobody builds the things, especially in team games. In t3 it would be viable at that price, but it would still be the worst medium in the game. I argue it needs to be even cheaper. But making a single t34 any cheaper and putting it in t3 at the same time would shut down Axis vehicle play too early (see above).

- fluff. They are pack animals (at least are supposed to be, in the game's own words). However as single-tank build they take a relatively long time to build anyway. They will have low life expectancy, against Axis Schrecks, AT guns and heavy tanks.

- late game window of opportunity. If they are cheaper per unit and come from t3, there is an incentive to spam them (medium tank spam should be a legitimate tactic and was never a problem, even with factions that have vastly superior mediums) and maybe accumulate them during the game. This reliance on numbers might even be usable once Panthers and Tigers are on the field.

Yes, 500/150 is insanely cheap, you basically get 2 mediums for the price of a single OKW panzer. But have you tried using the t34/76 against ANYTHING lately? I would rather have one Panzer than two t34s, that is how bad they are.

My suggestion is to have t34/76 buildable from t3 in batches of 2 only for the price of, say, 500 / 150.

That's a very good idea, getting 2 tanks for 1 price would make them a lot more appealing.

Replace T-34/76 with T-34/85

Replace doctrinal T-34/85 with KV-1

Replace counterattack KV-1 with KV-2

Trim all units to WFA/Brit level

Fixed but in Relic mind unreachable

I'd rather they trim WFA and UKFs to original factions level

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T34-76 zerglings in t3? Seems not bad idea

T34-76 zerglings in t3? Seems not bad idea

Oh man, but why stop at 2? I would also accept the T34/85 buildable as stock from T4 (come on Relic, with Panthers and Stugs everywhere would it really break the game that much?) and then the T34/76 could be completely relegated to call-ins. But how to make a t34/76 callin appealing? EZ : Triple callin @ 11CPs, 600/200, 25 pop, no tech requirements.

Okay, that might be over the top, but Soviet mediums need SOMETHING to stay in the fight against the German beasts, and in the original design it was supposed to be sheer numbers. Okay, but Relic just can't seem to commit to the idea of giving at least some leg up to Soviet nondoctrinal tanks. Meanwhile Germans get Panthers, Jagdpanzers and Kingtigers but for some reason Soviets don't get any of that except doctrinally and they still cannot get even cheap, timing-appropriate, spammable medium tank? Why is that? In the current meta, especially team games, an axis infantryman can't sneeze without four Panzerschrecks dropping out of his backpack, and literally anything Axis heavier than a halftrack will chase a single t34 off the field.

I've never once in my life seen a T34/76 and said "crap" (well maybe during their brief time as the rammobile). Make them "zerglings" as Adviser said, and they would at least be an unpleasant surprise for the Axis when two of them burst from the fog of war (and then proceed to miss or bounce off everything and anything ).

Oh man, but why stop at 2? I would also accept the T34/85 buildable as stock from T4 (come on Relic, with Panthers and Stugs everywhere would it really break the game that much?) and then the T34/76 could be completely relegated to call-ins. But how to make a t34/76 callin appealing? EZ : Triple callin @ 11CPs, 600/200, 25 pop, no tech requirements.

Okay, that might be over the top, but Soviet mediums need SOMETHING to stay in the fight against the German beasts, and in the original design it was supposed to be sheer numbers. Okay, but Relic just can't seem to commit to the idea of giving at least some leg up to Soviet nondoctrinal tanks. Meanwhile Germans get Panthers, Jagdpanzers and Kingtigers but for some reason Soviets don't get any of that except doctrinally and they still cannot get even cheap, timing-appropriate, spammable medium tank? Why is that? In the current meta, especially team games, an axis infantryman can't sneeze without four Panzerschrecks dropping out of his backpack, and literally anything Axis heavier than a halftrack will chase a single t34 off the field.

I've never once in my life seen a T34/76 and said "crap" (well maybe during their brief time as the rammobile). Make them "zerglings" as Adviser said, and they would at least be an unpleasant surprise for the Axis when two of them burst from the fog of war (and then proceed to miss or bounce off everything and anything ).

When I see a team mate get a T34 I go- "ah crap I have to do the heavy lifting here". I remember the tank rush meta where t34s would roll out en masse- that was put a stop to pretty quick.

If T34s had a it more AI they'd be at least useful as a bullet sponge/Inf counter. Right now they are only the bullet sponge part of that sentence.

You write well in English for a Serb hey.

i say make T34-76 in T3 with current price, but add an option that able to use 100-120MU to upgrade T34/85 once SU tech to T4 and an option to directly build T34/85 from T4.

and make T34-76 unable to move during upgrade time, as it is changing a turret.no like installing a LMG on the top. also those HT upgrade to flame and Quad is nonsense too, suddenly appeared in the mid fighting, is garden scary.

Definitely a good idea, t34 in t4 just comes way too late especially for its average performance.

If the t34 isn't ever going to be buffed then it should be moved to t3 but with a requirement behind unlocking it. For example at least 2 or 3 units built first from the same tier, or maybe a 6/7 CP requirement?

T34/76s coming after Panzer 4s is kind of silly.

If anything, if there's a T34 in Soviet T4, it should be a T34/85.

A doctrinal T34/76 call-in would probably see more use that a stock T4 one.

If German's get Panthers as standard tanks I don't see why T-34/85 couldn't be stock.

Maybe replace the T34-85 in doctrines with the KV-85

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/soviet/soviet_KV-85.php

Yep. T-34/76 in T3 would be great. Put the su-76 back into T4 and give it an anti infantry role.

Put the su-76 back into T4 and give it an anti infantry role.

It just got a role it was supposed to fill since day 1...

It just got a role it was supposed to fill since day 1...

WHy? IMO su-76 should be mostly an anti infantry tank + some light AT. This is obviously all pointless now, but it does create some problems for soviets as you cannot counter luchs or ostwind with an su-76.

T-34/76 used to fill that role very well.


The t-34/76 does have an important role in the soviet lategame as it is required to finish off damaged enemy tanks. It sucks incredibly hard at doing it, but hey, it's the only thing you've got.


I just wish it wasn't almost purely an AT vehicle and a crushing vehicle vs OKW.


It arrives at T4, behind so many tech barriers yet is incomparable worse to both the cromwell and the sherman. It's an OK unit but i think it should be buffed because it is the one tank you are supposed to be able to spam effectivelly. The goddam bulk of the soviet tank army is seen less than specialist units such as the KV-8...