Soviets have virtually no tank.
T-34/76 is an OK, but slightly overpriced, generalist, but it cannot compete in late game.
The SU-85 is a good tank sniper, but it is no tank and is more of a defensive tool than an offensive one. Without tank cover it is very vulnerable, and soviet infantry lacks the AT weapons that every other faction has to screen TD's.
Making the '85 non doctrinal would make the Soviets much more competitive and balanced. Tank engagements will no longer be so one-sided.
It's about time I think.
Should T-34/85 be non doctrinal?
29 Jan 2016, 09:06 AM
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Of coursh
29 Jan 2016, 09:19 AM
#2
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I said no as there is no option for alternative.
I would rather see an upgrade option for individual tanks, not global , for a munition/fuel cost and the tank drives off the field like the USF Withdraw and Refit.
This would mean no spontaneous tanks changing in the field but having to retreat from the front lines and then drive back on as the T34/85.
I would rather see an upgrade option for individual tanks, not global , for a munition/fuel cost and the tank drives off the field like the USF Withdraw and Refit.
This would mean no spontaneous tanks changing in the field but having to retreat from the front lines and then drive back on as the T34/85.
29 Jan 2016, 10:17 AM
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no because i'd rather see the 34/76 buffed and the 34/85 remain more powerful than the IV in order to give USSR variety. the soviets already have enough weak/average units without losing their good ones.
29 Jan 2016, 11:06 AM
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for the millionth time, T34/85 T4 non doc., T34/76 double/single call in for 500MP/160F / 250MP/80MP at 7-8CPs.
29 Jan 2016, 13:48 PM
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no because i'd rather see the 34/76 buffed and the 34/85 remain more powerful than the IV in order to give USSR variety. the soviets already have enough weak/average units without losing their good ones.
why do you compare T-34-85 with Pz4?
T-34-85 must be compared with Easy Eight, Comet and Panther. And it is the worst among them
29 Jan 2016, 14:26 PM
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Why not buff the 34/76?
29 Jan 2016, 14:28 PM
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If you buff 34/76 and increase it's price, what's the reason to get T34/85 then? Currently you can get cheap useful tank, or normal price powerful.
With buff you will get good medium tank or just a bit better medium tank. Too similar.
With buff you will get good medium tank or just a bit better medium tank. Too similar.
29 Jan 2016, 14:33 PM
#8
Posts: 29
If you buff 34/76 and increase it's price, what's the reason to get T34/85 then? Currently you can get cheap useful tank, or normal price powerful.
With buff you will get good medium tank or just a bit better medium tank. Too similar.
Good point
What if an upgrade function were implemented on the t34/76, allowing it to upgrade to t34/85? Of course, this upgrade should only be available in certain commanders. If we put the t34/76 in tier 3.5, i think this could work.
I don't know how much the upgrade should be in terms of resources though.
29 Jan 2016, 15:05 PM
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The upgrade its self should be global but require muni upgrade for the tank in allied territory. Unlock should be in t4 so that you dont skip teirs
29 Jan 2016, 17:25 PM
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Haven't we gone through this ten thousand times?
Relic appears to want 76's in T4 and 85's as commander linked. This is fine as long as 76's serve a function, which they do not right now.
Ram on 85's needs to be removed and the tank given something small in return.
Ram on 76's is debatable, but should at least do something other than waste a tank (as it does right now).
Relic appears to want 76's in T4 and 85's as commander linked. This is fine as long as 76's serve a function, which they do not right now.
Ram on 85's needs to be removed and the tank given something small in return.
Ram on 76's is debatable, but should at least do something other than waste a tank (as it does right now).
29 Jan 2016, 17:27 PM
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YE PLS
make t34 85 non doc. so you dont have to rely on stupid call in tank doctrins/t34/85 doctrins anymore. im sick and tired of that.
make t34 85 non doc. so you dont have to rely on stupid call in tank doctrins/t34/85 doctrins anymore. im sick and tired of that.
29 Jan 2016, 17:35 PM
#12
Posts: 289
allied are op right now and with non doc T34/85 allied will be super super OP
sorry if my eng is not very good
29 Jan 2016, 17:47 PM
#13
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YE PLS
make t34 85 non doc. so you dont have to rely on stupid call in tank doctrins/t34/85 doctrins anymore.
It would be nice.I stopped playing COH2 because was tired of Shock Rifle or Guard Motor every match.
allied are op right now and with non doc T34/85 allied will be super super OP
Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none
29 Jan 2016, 18:06 PM
#14
Posts: 64
Move T34/76 back to T3 with cost increase.
The doctorinal T34-85 can be replaced with M4c, KV-1 or they can implement a new medium tank (or all for different commanders).
The doctorinal T34-85 can be replaced with M4c, KV-1 or they can implement a new medium tank (or all for different commanders).
29 Jan 2016, 18:33 PM
#15
Posts: 33
I would rather like to see the T34/76 moved to T3 and locked behind an upgrade and the KV 1 added to T4. The KV 1 would work perfectly with the SU 85 and give the Soviet core tree units some survivability which I always felt they lacked. By replacing the KV 1 in Counterattack Tactics with KV 8, IS 2, KV 2 or T34/85 this doctrine would be buffed a little and be more than just mediocre again.
29 Jan 2016, 18:44 PM
#16
Posts: 64
I would rather like to see the T34/76 moved to T3 and locked behind an upgrade and the KV 1 added to T4. The KV 1 would work perfectly with the SU 85 and give the Soviet core tree units some survivability which I always felt they lacked. By replacing the KV 1 in Counterattack Tactics with KV 8, IS 2, KV 2 or T34/85 this doctrine would be buffed a little and be more than just mediocre again.
Or they just simply make the KV-1S or the KV-85.
30 Jan 2016, 02:06 AM
#17
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why do you compare T-34-85 with Pz4?
T-34-85 must be compared with Easy Eight, Comet and Panther. And it is the worst among them
i don't compare the 34/85 and the IV, i'm saying i don't want the 34/85 made non-doctrinal because people would bitch and it would get nerfed. then soviets would have an ok tank and a shit tank instead of a shit tank and a good tank.
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