Move StuG III-G to T2 or T2.5

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2016, 18:34 PMwhitesky00

wouldn't this just destroy SOV T1 M3 and UKF carrier?

I don't know the values but I think the pak40 one-shots or reduces hp by 95%

New OST build order, 1 MG, 1 pak40 at the beginning of game. Engis sight, MG suppress, pak kills vehicles. Point lock down the moment the game begins...

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2016, 18:34 PMwhitesky00

Wouldn't this just destroy SOV T1 M3 and UKF carrier?

New OST build order, 1 MG, 1 pak40 at the beginning of game. Engis sight, MG suppress, pak kills vehicles. Point lock down the moment the game begins...

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2016, 20:07 PMCarlos Danger

PaK does not one hit either the M3 or the Universal Carrier and it's a lot of manpower to counter an M3 or Universal Carrier.

Also, the Universal Carrier needs a buff of some sort.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2016, 01:23 AMCarlos Danger

Would prefer PaK to T1 and Sniper to T2, thing as that would address a lot of balance problems.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2016, 20:14 PMmiragefla

Stronger 222 instead, please. I would rather give that unit at least the ability to deter the other light armoured vehicles than be target practice for anything not the UC or M3 and give Ostheer at least the option to have an effective mobile unit, even if it costs more.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2016, 22:08 PMBeefSurge

Honestly the only flaw in Ost's design is the 222. Consider if it was a Skdz 250:

-it can chase snipers and no AT units just like 222

-it lets you flank support weapons with Panzgrens (a large purpose of the unit, really)

-It could have a light 37mm cannon upgrade for 90 munis that gives it both AT and AI

Now every doctrine currently with a 250 HT would get a 222 call-in, instead.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2016, 23:11 PMCarlos Danger

Would be strange having two halftracks in T2 though. Maybe the 250 could replace the 251?

Also, I'd like to see the OKW searchlight halftrack replaced with an actual 250/251 halftrack.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2016, 08:21 AMashxu

That's an interesting idea actually

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2016, 14:30 PMTNrg

The thing is, Ostheer kind of needs the sniper to be competitive against the riflemen

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2016, 20:14 PMmiragefla

Stronger 222 instead, please. I would rather give that unit at least the ability to deter the other light armoured vehicles than be target practice for anything not the UC or M3 and give Ostheer at least the option to have an effective mobile unit, even if it costs more.

Jump back to quoted post27 Jan 2016, 10:46 AMGumboot

Agreed it helps against the riflemen but the amount of double sniper starts I get every time I play UKF is disheartening.

I know playing against double Sov sniper as Whier can be a bitch as you have the same 4 squad size but the cost of each model lost effects the UKF more and the rifle grenade can be devistating on a distracted player.

If anyone has a reasonable suggestion on countering the double sniper start as UKF I would love any tips. I personally haven't seen a stream where someone has effectively countered it. UKF sniper comes too late and the only time I saw someone using a UC to harass it was immobilized by grens hidden around a corner and that was that.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2016, 20:09 PMEsxile

Worst idea ever, say bye bye to your ostruppen commanders since you'll need to build T1 any times for the pak and T2 for the 222.


Pak T1 is a false good idea since building a pak too early will cripple your economy, one less squad on the field just to counter light vehicle that can circle you. You don't really need pak a before T2 in any cases and the 222 is by far enough to counter light vehicle play.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jan 2016, 03:40 AMPanzerGeneralForever

Many ppl would be offended by this statement.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jan 2016, 03:40 AMPanzerGeneralForever

Many ppl would be offended by this statement.