Comet armor too much?

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2015, 13:04 PMButcher

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Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2015, 05:58 AMmiragefla

For the rear armour? Does that mean all heavy tanks should get a cost reduction when a rear armour nerf is implemented?

Medium tanks should be a threat to their heavier counterparts if they manage to get around as it means they're diving in and trying to position against a superior enemy while probably being exposed to other dangers and over-extension. When mediums have a better chance punching through
the front armour of another medium tank than the rear of a heavy, something's wrong.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2015, 00:10 AM__deleted__

Hey there!

So here we have the mighty british medium tank, the Comet. Which in real life had 70-102 mm frontal armor (around 70 in the front of the chassis, and 102 on the front of the turret).

On the other hand, we have the Jagdpanzer4, which in real life had the 75mm PaK42 cannon, and used the PzGr.39/42 (a armor-piercing capped ballistic capped shell [APCBC]) which was able to penetrate a 149mm thick steel at 1000m, and 168mm at 500m.

However, in the game, the Jagdpanzer have a really hard time penetrating the frontal armor of the Comet, and doing damage. By hard time I mean 8 out of 10 shots will bounce.

I'm not even mentioning that the Comet almost never bounces from the sloped (!!!) frontal armor of a Panther, but the Panther bounces pretty nicely from the 90° frontal armor of the Comet...physics at it's finest...

In my opinion, a little bit of nerf would be handy, not too much, just make every second shot go through, and cause damage, from the Jgdpz4.

Best regards.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2015, 12:42 PMgeneral_gawain

I think its no balance problem because you have a lot more than a Panzer IV when a Comet shows up and flanking with a Comet is always at more risk than drive frontally in with a panther and back out when you took a few hits.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2015, 17:09 PMMr. Someguy

Why do you assume the player will have a Panther by the time the Comet arrives? The first Panther costs more than the first Comet. T4 is basically a bonus tier only accessed when things are going well or you're in a team game, while Hammer / Anvil is an expected tech for every game.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2015, 17:09 PMMr. Someguy

Why do you assume the player will have a Panther by the time the Comet arrives? The first Panther costs more than the first Comet. T4 is basically a bonus tier only accessed when things are going well or you're in a team game, while Hammer / Anvil is an expected tech for every game.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2015, 19:41 PMnodickwilliams

Churchill would have been so much better off if it was: 320 armor, 1280 health, normal veterancy exp requirements, proper handgrenade stats that aren't 120 damage no dropoff. STILL NOT FIXED!!!!

Rather than this garbage 1400 health 240 armor lol.

If p4 had proper penetration of 130 then comet rear armor of 180 would be just fine. Its front is already fine at 290, considering its abilities and speed.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2015, 00:59 AMPutinist

Ignoring the historical arguments, here is the unit stats relevant to the points you are making:

(vet 0, pen at max range)

Comet
Frontal armor: 290
Pen: 170

JPIV
Pen: 170

Panther
Frontal armor: 320
Pen: 220

JPIV chance to pen frontal armor of comet: 58%. In other words, your claim that 8 of 10 shots will bounce is false.

Comet vs Panther

Comet chance to pen Panther: 53%
Panther chance to pen Comet: 75%

Your claim that Comet never pen Panther but deflects the Panther shots nicely is false.