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11 Dec 2015, 08:22 AM
#1
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can someone tell me that is it the gren g43 upgrade or the pgren g43 upgrade, cause the latter is the more lethal version.
11 Dec 2015, 08:27 AM
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Hello.

This is the normal Grenadier version.

Kozo.
11 Dec 2015, 08:38 AM
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I'm quite surprised they went with it in the first place.

That was really unexpected.
I still don't see any reason why anyone would go for it with StGs and their amazing ability.
11 Dec 2015, 08:50 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 08:38 AMKatitof
I'm quite surprised they went with it in the first place.

That was really unexpected.
I still don't see any reason why anyone would go for it with StGs and their amazing ability.

myabe because stgs are mid-close combat guns and the ability requires munitions to use, however the g43s are good replacements for thier normal kar98ks, so its an overall proper upgrade whilst keeping the decent long range damage, AND it allows you to upgrade panzerschrek too so :)
11 Dec 2015, 08:51 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 08:50 AMSmaug

myabe because stgs are mid-close combat guns and the ability requires munitions to use, however the g43s are good replacements for thier normal kar98ks, so its an overall proper upgrade whilst keeping the decent long range damage, AND it allows you to upgrade panzerschrek too so :)

G43s are mid-short as well.

They are weaker then default Kars on long range.

They are really poor mans replacement on sturms, they are however "role switcher" for grens, changing them from long range squad to mid/short ranged one that is decent on the move.
11 Dec 2015, 08:56 AM
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They don't even get the Panzergrenadier variant? Man, Stormtroopers just seem so meh. Certainly not a worthy replacement of Troop Training, I think I would have preferred Jägers or Obers before Stormtroopers.

I didn't think Troop Training was overpowered in the first place anyway, getting a Vet 3 Grenadier squad cost you 320MP / 30FU. Yet that left the Tiger Ace alone as well.
11 Dec 2015, 08:57 AM
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I See Gren G43
----
but G43 is best semi auto rifle
with 16 point with rate of fire like garand
and moving acc 0.8 and low cost mun
11 Dec 2015, 09:03 AM
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They don't even get the Panzergrenadier variant? Man, Stormtroopers just seem so meh. Certainly not a worthy replacement of Troop Training, I think I would have preferred Jägers or Obers before Stormtroopers.

Isn't the stormtroopers the same thing as Obersoldaten, that is SS-units, but expressed in political correct terms. Therefore they could implement almost same stats to both units.
11 Dec 2015, 09:06 AM
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Isn't the stormtroopers the same thing as Obersoldaten, that is SS-units, but expressed in political correct terms. Therefore they could implement almost same stats to both units.


Stormtroopers are a completely different unit, they don't even use the same model or voices.
11 Dec 2015, 09:08 AM
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Stormtroopers are a completely different unit, they don't even use the same model or voices.

Yes, they are different units, but they depict the SS-units in Eastern Front, and the Obersoldaten in Western Front. At least their uniforms tells us this.
11 Dec 2015, 09:13 AM
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I am also surprised by this addition. While i do not see any con to this i fail to see the purpose. Maybe to exploit the "interrogation" ability a tlittle deeper.
11 Dec 2015, 09:29 AM
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Stormptroopers need to be given ober kar98s over gren ones.
11 Dec 2015, 09:38 AM
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Stormtroopers do not look attractive in present.
I would like them to receive the pzgrenadier G43 model, because their base model is pzgrenadier. And why not double shreck upgrade for 120 amo? I fail to understand.

At least that G43 thing needs a hotfix.
11 Dec 2015, 09:38 AM
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Stormptroopers need to be given ober kar98s over gren ones.

Why?
They are grens with pgren rec acc and camo.
11 Dec 2015, 09:42 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 09:38 AMJohnnyB
Stormtroopers do not look attractive in present.


A unit that pop from a building is always attractive in some ways :p

Kozo
11 Dec 2015, 10:06 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 08:51 AMKatitof


They are weaker then default Kars on long range.



this is incorrect
11 Dec 2015, 10:16 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 10:06 AMSmaug


this is incorrect

Since when?

At first they were stronger, they march deployment patch came and their profile was changed from long rage overlapping with LMG, to short mid range with excellent FOTM accuracy, since that time they had lower long range DPS then Kars.

Don't confuse PGren G43s with Gren G43s.
11 Dec 2015, 10:20 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 09:42 AMKozokus


A unit that pop from a building is always attractive in some ways :p

Kozo


Yes, if they are called Falls or JLIs or even better, partisans. Stormtroopers are kinda' meh.
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11 Dec 2015, 11:28 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 08:38 AMKatitof
I'm quite surprised they went with it in the first place.

That was really unexpected.
I still don't see any reason why anyone would go for it with StGs and their amazing ability.
because whining works brah.

jump backJump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 08:38 AMKatitof

I didn't think Troop Training was overpowered in the first place anyway, getting a Vet 3 Grenadier squad cost you 320MP / 30FU. Yet that left the Tiger Ace alone as well.
Indeed, I may get instant vet3 and maybe surprise a noob, but I'm 30 fuel out from teching, and it's not like Vet3 units become immune to HMGs either.

Vetting a friendly Volks squad isn't a different matter either, because you've still got less fuel to help him out, and OKW doesn't have suppression outside of T4 and flaktrack. Even a combo vetted volks with MG34 requires a particular strategy.

There is no true counterplay for a good team composed of smart players.

As for Obers I wouldn't be surprised if next month they replaced Storms with them...and not bother to redo their vet5 vet ;p
11 Dec 2015, 16:36 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 10:16 AMKatitof

Since when?

At first they were stronger, they march deployment patch came and their profile was changed from long rage overlapping with LMG, to short mid range with excellent FOTM accuracy, since that time they had lower long range DPS then Kars.

Don't confuse PGren G43s with Gren G43s.

Basically always since that point, I think. They nerfed the G43s from not being broken, but the far DPS after that was pretty much alike to the Kar98K's. Only the SMG and StG upgrades really nerf a squad's original DPS at some ranges, and by a lot less after the somewhat recent-ish PPSh and Thompson upgrade buffs.
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