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So... Why Does OKW Have P4? (Forgotten Topic)

10 Dec 2015, 07:49 AM
#21
avatar of Kozokus

Posts: 301

Hello.

?NorthWeapon:Remove Panzer IV-J from Tech and add it back to Doctrine?


  • OKW's theme is specialized units- It WAS
  • Panzer IV-J is not specialized - Indeed
  • Panzer IV is symbolic to Ostheer - Not really
  • Ostheer's main perk (Tier 3) is rendered useless - i d like to hear why
  • Removes all weaknesses of OKW (in addition to 100% resources) - was pretty much needed
  • A faction deprived of weaknesses is an unbalanced faction - agree, btw OKW isnt without weaknesses, you just want particular weaknesses for OKW
  • Doctrinal Panzer IV-J was a genius idea especially with skirts & commander - yet unused for years, how genius
  • Make the Panzer IV-J behave differently (maybe less AI, more AT, or vice versa) - why?
  • OST Panzer IV should have its old skin back to distinguish from Panzer IV-J




If memory serves, the P4 is here because the community repeatly asked for it. It was a good addition after all.

BTW as far as i liked the old OKW style, the removal of the ressources cut is a breath of pure air as finally you can use 200mun atrillery callin without hampering your AT or denying you precious eary game tools. The ressources cut was valid with the old Obers/volks. Now it is not anymore.

Kozo.
10 Dec 2015, 08:18 AM
#22
avatar of Raindrop

Posts: 105

Stug III with an assault gun role which would fire HE shells would be the best replacement imo.

I would be more diffrent then the "tank destroyer" Stug III of OH.
10 Dec 2015, 08:37 AM
#23
avatar of wuff

Posts: 1534 | Subs: 1

The OKW needs a medium tank, tho now the balance / timing is all out of sync.

10 Dec 2015, 08:41 AM
#24
avatar of kitekaze

Posts: 378

Stug III with an assault gun role which would fire HE shells would be the best replacement imo.

I would be more diffrent then the "tank destroyer" Stug III of OH.


OH Doctrinal Stug III Ver E?
10 Dec 2015, 08:48 AM
#25
avatar of Raindrop

Posts: 105



OH Doctrinal Stug III Ver E?


More like the Stug III G before the patch were it was changed into an AT vehicle.

Keep main gun range of 50 but lower pen and increase AoE in exchange.
10 Dec 2015, 08:53 AM
#26
avatar of Katitof

Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8

Stug III with an assault gun role which would fire HE shells would be the best replacement imo.

I would be more diffrent then the "tank destroyer" Stug III of OH.


This actually does sound nice and unique while being thematically correct(they have used abundance of StuGs because there was a shortage of actual tanks).
10 Dec 2015, 08:57 AM
#27
avatar of Kozokus

Posts: 301

I can't think of a better idea. The StugIIIE would be a nice replacement and would fit the thema of specialised units some people are missing.

+1

Kozo.
10 Dec 2015, 09:08 AM
#28
avatar of JohnnyB

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Hey guys, why not this baby? Stug IV existed and it was kinda' late war machine...

10 Dec 2015, 09:17 AM
#29
avatar of AchtAchter

Posts: 1604 | Subs: 3

I personally find it at least questionable that somebody that doesn't even play a certain faction asks to remove units from that certain faction. The P4 was swapped because nobody used the elite armour doctrine call in P4s and likewise nobody used the Sturmtiger.

By swapping these units relic was able to buff the Sturmtiger and additionally increase the tactical possibilities you have as a OKW player hence this decision was one of the most popular one (according to the survey) in the British alpha.
10 Dec 2015, 09:44 AM
#30
avatar of GLBZ

Posts: 54

right now okw have so fast t3
need something like you need research "full assault" in t3 in order to build panthers,obers and kt for 100/150 fuel
right now P4 is something that only 50f less then panther... in same with panther tier
10 Dec 2015, 10:11 AM
#31
avatar of Mr. Someguy

Posts: 4928

I personally find it at least questionable that somebody that doesn't even play a certain faction asks to remove units from that certain faction. The P4 was swapped because nobody used the elite armour doctrine call in P4s and likewise nobody used the Sturmtiger.

Agreed, the doctrinal P4's were useless because they were barely better than a T-34/76, yet hit the field at the same time as the T-34/85's. You were required to buy armour on them before you could use them decently, so that's 160 munitions in addition to the 210 fuel (315 adjusted, 275 if conversion active). Relic gave them massive buffs and made them stock, which finally gave them a place and a use as well as breaking up the monotony of OKW's builds.

I wouldn't mind if they reduced the armour to 208 though like it originally was now that it's not as punishing to lose though. But they should absolutely not remove it, even if a StuG III would be cool to have.



jump backJump back to quoted post10 Dec 2015, 09:44 AMGLBZ
right now okw have so fast t3
need something like you need research in t3 in order to build panthers,obers and kt for 100/150 fuel
right now P4 is something that only 50f less then panther... in same with panther tier

Disagree with gating Obers, but the Panther and King Tiger should be gated behind something other than simply T3 Flak HQ.
10 Dec 2015, 10:15 AM
#32
avatar of Firesparks

Posts: 1930

Stug III with an assault gun role which would fire HE shells would be the best replacement imo.

I would be more diffrent then the "tank destroyer" Stug III of OH.


jump backJump back to quoted post10 Dec 2015, 08:57 AMKozokus
I can't think of a better idea. The StugIIIE would be a nice replacement and would fit the thema of specialised units some people are missing.

+1

Kozo.


a panzer 3 N would be better, basically the panzer 4 IST from coh1 PE.

for those who didn't play coh1, it would be a command panzer 4 without the aura.
10 Dec 2015, 10:30 AM
#33
avatar of Iron Emperor

Posts: 1653

I personally find it at least questionable that somebody that doesn't even play a certain faction asks to remove units from that certain faction. The P4 was swapped because nobody used the elite armour doctrine call in P4s and likewise nobody used the Sturmtiger.

By swapping these units relic was able to buff the Sturmtiger and additionally increase the tactical possibilities you have as a OKW player hence this decision was one of the most popular one (according to the survey) in the British alpha.


+1

10 Dec 2015, 11:17 AM
#34
avatar of Maschinengewehr

Posts: 334

Can it just be reduced to 125 fuel and be a normal vet 0 P4? Paying only 10 extra fuel for the vet 2 armour bonus is shifty now. Ofc it would require a minor rework of vet bonuses however.
10 Dec 2015, 12:57 PM
#35
avatar of SpaceHamster
Patrion 14

Posts: 474

The things I would do for a Panzer 3 to be added to this game.

Alas, woe is me! My hopes will never be answered :(
10 Dec 2015, 14:06 PM
#36
avatar of Kozokus

Posts: 301

The things I would do for a Panzer 3 to be added to this game.

Alas, woe is me! My hopes will never be answered :(


I'd like to hear the things you would do :p

Kozo.
10 Dec 2015, 14:09 PM
#37
avatar of SpaceHamster
Patrion 14

Posts: 474

jump backJump back to quoted post10 Dec 2015, 14:06 PMKozokus


I'd like to hear the things you would do :p

Kozo.


I'd pay relic a 100 dollars for a PZ3 commander OpieOP
10 Dec 2015, 14:21 PM
#38
avatar of Kozokus

Posts: 301



I'd pay relic a 100 dollars for a PZ3 commander OpieOP


Disapointed. I was hoping for something else ^^.

Kozo.
10 Dec 2015, 14:46 PM
#39
avatar of JohnnyB

Posts: 2396 | Subs: 1

I personally find it at least questionable that somebody that doesn't even play a certain faction asks to remove units from that certain faction. The P4 was swapped because nobody used the elite armour doctrine call in P4s and likewise nobody used the Sturmtiger.

By swapping these units relic was able to buff the Sturmtiger and additionally increase the tactical possibilities you have as a OKW player hence this decision was one of the most popular one (according to the survey) in the British alpha.


Well, as a proposal, I wouldn't be against removing P4 and replacing it with STUG IV for example, as a generalist, good against infantry and tanks somwhere around ostheer P4's performance. I allways thought COh2 should bring more weapons on the scene. It could team up with a volks wall pretty good..... :).
10 Dec 2015, 14:58 PM
#40
avatar of AchtAchter

Posts: 1604 | Subs: 3

jump backJump back to quoted post10 Dec 2015, 14:46 PMJohnnyB


Well, as a proposal, I wouldn't be against removing P4 and replacing it with STUG IV for example, as a generalist, good against infantry and tanks somwhere around ostheer P4's performance. I allways thought COh2 should bring more weapons on the scene. It could team up with a volks wall pretty good..... :).


You really think relic would model a new unit and put it into the stock army :rofl: If we see new units than it will be over commanders.
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