Turbo Obers; Remove IS cover bonuses

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2015, 06:47 AMJohnnyB

Yep, let's pretend that not all maps have tons of yellow and green cover and the only thing you have to do is move 2 steps left or right. What are we talking about....?

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2015, 05:49 AMFiresparks

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LOYMDi_XR7rILsk6HbAZqGihsk22t-45C_6NbQEP-m0/edit#gid=1496803838

4 men tommies + bren:
18.6403|18.3199|17.8390|17.2244|16.6015


grenader + lmg42:
23.6135|20.6870|18.6943|17.0556|15.9961


the real issue is actually double bren on tommies.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2015, 08:04 AMferwiner

So you are saying that you can keep double bren on IS? Especially 4-men one? With vet3? I mean you know that they start dropping their guns when they go down to 3 models, right?

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2015, 07:20 AMWhySooSerious

Btw 5 man upgrade boosts dps by 25%.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2015, 05:49 AMFiresparks

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LOYMDi_XR7rILsk6HbAZqGihsk22t-45C_6NbQEP-m0/edit#gid=1496803838

4 men tommies + bren:
18.6403|18.3199|17.8390|17.2244|16.6015


grenader + lmg42:
23.6135|20.6870|18.6943|17.0556|15.9961


the real issue is actually double bren on tommies.

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2015, 10:17 AMMuxsus

I'd love to see the cover bonus to be an actual bonus instead of a penalty because as it stands piats on infantry sections are useless. Reducing DPS out of cover and increasing DPS in cover (right now the difference is almost unnoticeable) would go long ways to restrict blobbing. And of course remove double LMGs, but make brens and m1919s actually cost-effective.

Jump back to quoted post12 Nov 2015, 20:41 PMferwiner

I'm pretty sure every brit player would agree with you. Why? Because the way it works now it is more a debuff when out of cover than buff in cover. They even get the special, weaker, version of bren that only performs when in cover. That means IS is a unit that needs carefull positioning to work instead of blobbing like all other long range infantry does, and that often one granade denaying cover means lost engagement even when dodged.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2015, 09:22 AMFiresparks

tommies are pretty hard to kill at vet3, and if they drop a bren it's a matter of spending more munition. Unlike the guard who are significantly more fragile and more difficult to resupply.

I also buy the squad size upgrade first before buying a second bren.



and the extra man also increase the pop upkeep on the tommies squad. It's not really "free" per say. What it does do is make it easier to retain squad.

also:

5 men tommies squad + 1 bren:

23.4146|22.5863|21.5556|20.3945|19.4939

it's definitely more powerful than a grenadier squad, but in the end you're still paying for the extra man.