try to apply rec.acc bonuses only behind cover and guess what, no one will blob like that casue it will lead to huge bleed and losing a game against opponent using cover.
Huh, that's a good idea.
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try to apply rec.acc bonuses only behind cover and guess what, no one will blob like that casue it will lead to huge bleed and losing a game against opponent using cover.
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vs usf the best thing you can do is never build grens... If you're fighting the faction with the best mainline infantry,and youre building mainline infantry to counter...No shit riflemen will stomp you.. just substitute with CHEAP AND SCALING Ostruppen,either mobile defense or the ostruppen doc, but even then not too many ostruppen,just 1 or 2. Just to have a Faust-Web for the light vehicles to protect ur sniper.
2 ostruppen and an MG + Pio will trade stupidly well with 2 riflemen and an RE for example.
get 2 MGs
and a sniper...
in no particular order. These are your cheat codes.
and then just focus on killing or deterring the light vehicle,whether its LT tier or captain tier, you should be able to put down 2 tellers since ur not buying LMGs and you dont NEED a med bunker,then have a field day,because cheap infantry supported by support weapons AND a sniper is straight up cheating vs USF.
Add in those 'shit' panzergrenadiers to support, maybe a 251,and usf player will be ripping their hair out at the impenetrability of your lines...unless theyre really fucken good. Or theyre just better than you.
The ONLY counterplay to that is lucky pack howie hits or a light vehicle seeping through and getting the sniper. Or just being bad/playing bad and not knowing how to use MGs and snipers.
Or playing on a map where snipers dont really have alot of clear shots.
Otherwise its pure cheats.
Brits its the same thing,no point in investing too heavily in grens when you know sections are really good/more potential to be better. So OSTRUPPEN. And countersnipe the brit one when he comes to counter you!
Vs soviets, grens are still grens. Raping conscripts, dueling with guards, and tackling shocks with MG support since 2013.
Ive fought a fair share of "4x Grens into Rifleman OP" opening type players.
Seriously, NO SHIT. You have no supression,no sniper,(which is blatantly ignoring all the strong units ostheer starts with)and your infantry is out gunned. OF COURSE youre gonna lose the line to riflemen.
And no I dont see any problemo with certain units being "not-sogood" vs certain factions. At all. Because otherwise Ostheer would roflstomp everyone if Grens could beat Sections and rifles 1v1,in addition to having the best support in the fucking game.
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So even you agree grens are not really worth building vs usf and ukf?Well its good to see we agree then.
When u need doctrinal infantry present in only 1,to counter basic core infantry all is well.But ur basic premise is right,osttruppen and pzgrens are far better support troops for mg42 than grens which are no longer needed except vs 1 vs 1 soviets.More and more wehrmacht players are recognizing this.
So your view is not different from ours at all.Don't build grens.
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No what you need is Sniper and HMG42, and Grenadiers to support them. Not the other way around. You can replace grens by ostruppen if you want a better unit effectivness/price from a commander. It is not like it is different for any other faction.
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Only faction that deserve buff is OKW , they are unplayable.
And if you want to buff osther them buff light vehiles adjust cost for pak to british at gun , give them acessable tier 4 but please no dont buff core infantry i dont want to see 6 grens vs 5 rifles meta 2.0
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No one said anything about 6 grens.... It would be a unit upgrade to 5 not 6
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Yes because 5 man grenadier squads for 240 mp will solve absolutely every problem
Grens are cheap and cost effective, and that's not good enough?
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+1
All aixe factions are good inuf
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Ok ,because you said so.
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Ok grens suck because you said so
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No one said anything about 6 grens.... It would be a unit upgrade to 5 not 6
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I'm not the only one saying it,many others are saying the same.
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We had Cons and Grens, most basic infantry, quite well balanced.
Then we recevied vet 5 Volks with enormour rec. acc and immortal Obers.
Then Cons and Rifles recevied rec.acc buff.
Ten vet 3 tommies with double bren with cover bonys.
Now Grens are left behind. Solution? Buff rec. acc.
With such approach we will face vet 3 elite squads with 0.2 rec. acc while basic infantry will have 0.5
The question is simple. Do vetted units use cover more effectively? Sure.
Do they dodge bullets when staind on the open field? Not a chance.
That's why I'd love to see 1 rec. acc for everyone with great bonuses only behind cover.
That would solve OP/UP rec. acc on most units and force to play with cover since Rifles blobs of doom would bleed like hell.
With current approach we can except Grens buff, then Volks buff and then again cry for Cons buff.
Point is, rec. acc is killing the game. With low (lower better) rec. acc you can blob through open field like no tomorrow, but try to apply rec.acc bonuses only behind cover and guess what, no one will blob like that casue it will lead to huge bleed and losing a game against opponent using cover.
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just asking...but that solution will punish short range squads. Short range squads have to close the gap, they can´t stay in green cover at long range coz they will lose. If they have to close with a worse rec. acc. because "on the open" than their enemy (that is already in a better position , you know, green cover, better accuracy because they stand still and so on), they won´t be able to be used effectively....
Won´t be this a bit tooo much????
Have you though about that???
again, just asking, not saying your proposal is a bad solution....
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Like Johnny and Zyllen?
Grens are SUPPOSED to be overwhelmed by other infantry if you spam them alone like a retard.
There are early potent support weapons for a reason accessible right off the bat to you as opposed to allied factions(except brits, who are equally dependent on supporting units as ost).
If you want to play with just basic infantry, play the faction that actually is designed to do so and protip: its not ostheer nor OKW.
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in short you are playing a gimped version of the brits with non of the cool toys the brits get. Even so your arguments is a contradiction. brits do have the option to have a 5 man squad and yet you have no problems with that
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