Why do S mines have signs?
11 Nov 2015, 19:53 PM
#101
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They have signs cause it looks cool
11 Nov 2015, 20:55 PM
#102
Posts: 150
i use them behind buildings at corners, or to cover my flank of mgs. They do wonders.
However cause a lot of PRO axis players (porygon-siuking) claim that they shouldn't have the sign i have to respect their opinion.
However cause a lot of PRO axis players (porygon-siuking) claim that they shouldn't have the sign i have to respect their opinion.
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11 Nov 2015, 21:54 PM
#103
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Pioneers should be able to just lay signs without S-Mines as well, for the psychological aspects of the game.
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11 Nov 2015, 21:59 PM
#104
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nice idea!!!!!
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11 Nov 2015, 22:16 PM
#105
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You're using S mines wrong if you want to surprise the enemy. Use them on path retreat or as an denial area (b4 sweeper comes).
I have to say that even with the signs it's easy to lose one squad if it's damage and you're not paying attention.
Can't believe you're complaining about signs in S mines, seriously. I find them really powerful and balanced as they are now.
I have to say that even with the signs it's easy to lose one squad if it's damage and you're not paying attention.
Can't believe you're complaining about signs in S mines, seriously. I find them really powerful and balanced as they are now.
12 Nov 2015, 00:50 AM
#106
Posts: 269
It doesn't make any sense at all that S mines have a sign or that you lay 4 of them and have to practice cancelling it when you only want one mine.
Literally none whatsoever.
Literally none whatsoever.
12 Nov 2015, 09:34 AM
#107
Posts: 1162
It does make sense, werhs forces are weak in isolation, but strong when backing each other up.. I.E. Combined arms.
S MINES work this same way.
S MINES work this same way.
12 Nov 2015, 11:22 AM
#108
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Pioneers should be able to just lay signs without S-Mines as well, for the psychological aspects of the game.
Coolest idea ever, for a mod of course. Reminded me of Brits fake artillery flairs in vCoH.
12 Nov 2015, 11:27 AM
#109
Posts: 509
They shouldn't have signs though. Only way you'd lose a squad(s) is if you don't pay attention (keep on running through it) or its in the retreat path.
And the same thing will happen if any other faction's mines were in a square 4 at a time spaced like s minefield and the opponent does the same thing or they're in the retreat path.
Arguably the only benefit the s mine over an equivalent mine-field is cheaper muni cost (60 vs 120 muni for equivalent other faction field). But then again, it can't hurt armored vehicles and requires 60 muni in the bank to even order (compared to 30) so there's a tradeoff.
So no, there shouldn't be signs. It already has tradeoffs in terms of usability in exchange for its cost.
And the same thing will happen if any other faction's mines were in a square 4 at a time spaced like s minefield and the opponent does the same thing or they're in the retreat path.
Arguably the only benefit the s mine over an equivalent mine-field is cheaper muni cost (60 vs 120 muni for equivalent other faction field). But then again, it can't hurt armored vehicles and requires 60 muni in the bank to even order (compared to 30) so there's a tradeoff.
So no, there shouldn't be signs. It already has tradeoffs in terms of usability in exchange for its cost.
12 Nov 2015, 11:29 AM
#110
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Coolest idea ever, for a mod of course. Reminded me of Brits fake artillery flairs in vCoH.
We do have them in coh2 too you know.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
12 Nov 2015, 19:38 PM
#111
Posts: 1802 | Subs: 1
We do have them in coh2 too you know.
I don't have Brits, and to be honest I mostly focus on how to rage when I get my ass kicked when playing versus Brits (
). Care to explain?
12 Nov 2015, 19:57 PM
#112
Posts: 278
Pioneers should be able to just lay signs without S-Mines as well, for the psychological aspects of the game.
I'd rather have this than sign-less mines TBH. The mind games you could play with this would be brutal.
12 Nov 2015, 20:03 PM
#113
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They shouldn't have signs though. Only way you'd lose a squad(s) is if you don't pay attention (keep on running through it) or its in the retreat path.
And the same thing will happen if any other faction's mines were in a square 4 at a time spaced like s minefield and the opponent does the same thing or they're in the retreat path.
Arguably the only benefit the s mine over an equivalent mine-field is cheaper muni cost (60 vs 120 muni for equivalent other faction field). But then again, it can't hurt armored vehicles and requires 60 muni in the bank to even order (compared to 30) so there's a tradeoff.
So no, there shouldn't be signs. It already has tradeoffs in terms of usability in exchange for its cost.
Wait, so what you are saying is that mines should wipe? Like what? Especially 15 muni mines? Man come on, one wipe is a loss in every single equal matchup. There is no way any mines should wipe full health squads, especially spammable cheap mines that cover huge are so it is harder to miss them...
12 Nov 2015, 20:18 PM
#114
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I don't have Brits, and to be honest I mostly focus on how to rage when I get my ass kicked when playing versus Brits (
USF have it.
IR pathfinders.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
12 Nov 2015, 20:31 PM
#115
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USF have it.
IR pathfinders.
Major also has them
12 Nov 2015, 23:12 PM
#116
Posts: 1802 | Subs: 1
USF have it.
IR pathfinders.
I even have the freakin' commander... but who cares since you have FlameRifles.
12 Nov 2015, 23:33 PM
#117
Posts: 1216
How about this:
There is only one sign post instead of four, and the direction it implies is random, so a sign that implies the mines are behind it may in fact be to its left, right, or in front.
It will still indicate a minepost somewhere, but exactly where is left unsaid, so you either err on caution and avoid the general area, risk your men and try one side, or get minesweepers.
This way, it does both- it tells opponents that mines are nearby, but won't tell them exactly where. The opponent is at best given a vague general hint.
There is only one sign post instead of four, and the direction it implies is random, so a sign that implies the mines are behind it may in fact be to its left, right, or in front.
It will still indicate a minepost somewhere, but exactly where is left unsaid, so you either err on caution and avoid the general area, risk your men and try one side, or get minesweepers.
This way, it does both- it tells opponents that mines are nearby, but won't tell them exactly where. The opponent is at best given a vague general hint.
13 Nov 2015, 02:18 AM
#118
Posts: 1954
How about do away with signs but add suppression like every other mine so that units won't keep going forward until they're wiped.
The S mines are most annoying when you flank someone, have to retreat a squad, and the retreat path goes through one of these minefields, which guarantees a wipe. I'm not sure that there is really any balance changes that would stop that.
The S mines are most annoying when you flank someone, have to retreat a squad, and the retreat path goes through one of these minefields, which guarantees a wipe. I'm not sure that there is really any balance changes that would stop that.
13 Nov 2015, 02:25 AM
#119
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If Major did nothing but provide a retreat point, absolutely nothing would change.
13 Nov 2015, 02:38 AM
#120
Posts: 1954
If Major did nothing but provide a retreat point, absolutely nothing would change.
If I don't need the forward retreat in a 1v1, the Major works great as a S-mine detector. One use only.
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