How much impact on outcomes do you think RNG really has?

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 23:05 PMThunderhun

Missing a shot/bounce you name it was/is/will be part of the COH experience. No1 whined about it back in COH1 (even in tourney).

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 19:33 PMDullahan

Replays or gtfo.

Jump back to quoted post28 Oct 2015, 14:08 PMKreatiir

A heavy crit engine damage with your first tank / abandon tank in 1v1 has a major impact on outcome, while others have less impact.

Jump back to quoted post28 Oct 2015, 16:25 PMDullahan

But then the question is: what bone headed decision did you make with the tank that caused it to be in a situation where it could happen? (Overextended, under significant AT fire, running over mines or whatever.)


There's always a few tactical errors preceding these sorts of things.

Jump back to quoted post28 Oct 2015, 13:03 PMkitekaze

CoH1 has better penetration system. Each weapon has a whole penetration, accuracy and damage table compare to each type of armor.

For example, in CoH1 M10 can penetration 90% with panther at close and 70% at long.
Or Marder III has 25% more damage vs Pershing, which make it a natural counter.

CoH2 has way worse system, in hope of reducing coder workload by simplifying with Armor and Target Size value. And thanks to the system, RNG become more decisive factor.
Of course luck is what make this game interesting, but when it goes beyond imaginable border, it's just stupid.

This replay has a raketen killing engineer squad and 4 conscript model in heavy with 4 shots at min 3. Using raketenwerfer to counter infantry prove he's more skill? I doubt so.

Jump back to quoted post28 Oct 2015, 18:31 PMThunderhun

Yeah, well designed target tables are missing, penetration is sometimes a bit retarded. But COH 1 had the infamous 5% crit bug, ppl could live with that.

As for your replay, all of us seen insane things in COH. OMCG being useless/usefull, sniper missfires etc.

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 18:26 PMDullahan

None.


The player who plays better will win 100% of the time.

Jump back to quoted post28 Oct 2015, 18:31 PMThunderhun

Yeah, well designed target tables are missing, penetration is sometimes a bit retarded. But COH 1 had the infamous 5% crit bug, ppl could live with that.

As for your replay, all of us seen insane things in COH. OMCG being useless/usefull, sniper missfires etc.

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 22:37 PMelchino7

I think people are talking about 3 different things: RNG which is the basis of COH2, flukes on the system (plane crashes, constant improbable rolls, abandoned vehicles, etc) and predictable rolls (see sniping retreating squads, ISU wiping squads, indirect fire landing middle of a full health squad and wiping it, last shot of a pak missing or deflecting, etc)

1- If a unit (Centaur/Flamer) evaporates squads on 1 or 1,5s theres no RNG there as the results are practically the same. Surviving for more than 4s would be RNG.

2- When you get a scatter shot from a pak, hit across the map your Katyusha/PW that's fucking doing it's job. 2 snipers killed by 2 consecutive AT gun shots? 5 deflections on a 20% roll? You get the deal. I consider this to happen 1/100

2- If i try to snipe the last model of a retreating squad without using abilities, well that's a 50/50 call, a flip coin, this is RNG. The normal one.
Using a Stuka dive bomb on a Katyusha and it been abandoned or getting a crit, while a lower chance, still enters this category.

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 18:26 PMDullahan

None. The player who plays better will win 100% of the time.

Jump back to quoted post28 Oct 2015, 18:51 PMmomo4sho

Absolutely wrong. RnG can decide a game against you no matter how well you play.

Situations that come to mind are like making a calculated decision to trade your heavy (tiger/is2) for your opponents because you have dominant map control and then your opponents heavy ends up being abandoned.
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Jump back to quoted post28 Oct 2015, 23:03 PMDullahan

That's a calculated RISK.
Emphasis on the word risk.

You make the decision knowing that is a possible, if rare, outcome.

You can blame RNG for it happening, but if you play conservatively rather than take a risk going for the throat such a thing will never happen.


It's a high risk, high reward gamble and it's silly to blame the game when it doesn't go the way you wanted it to.

Moreover, even if your gamble fails, it's not like you're anywhere near out of the game. (Unless you ragequit.

Jump back to quoted post29 Oct 2015, 01:15 AMmomo4sho

Yeah its pretty silly to blame the game when your 3 Full health M4C shermans cant finish an engine damaged panther because it got abandoned twice. RnG didn't decide the game there at all.

There is a difference between taking a risk and not having it pay off and getting absolutely robbed by an entity outside of your control.

Give me a gardening break man.