Remove Allied Grenade tech costs

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 05:45 AMmomo4sho

Or how about we add tech costs for at least grenadier lmgs, volks shrecks ( MAYBE), instead? So there is at least a thought process behind them like teching molotovs, grenades, BARs rather than the brainless upgrades they actually are?

Why do Axis get essentially " free " upgrades like these when the Allied players are paying for them in extra MP/ Fuel.

It really makes no sense to me. Makes doctrines like CAS stronger than they need to be when there is no extra cost tied to upgrading LMG's

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 16:25 PMsquippy

All these upgrades are paid for, because they number among the abilities of the unit, and therefore determine the cost you pay when buying one. And again to reinforce. If you were to say, make Grens have to first buy an upgrade unlock before being able to do upgrades on the unit, then the price of Grens would have to be reduced.

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 00:35 AMProBro

... Master race OKW Volksgrenadier ...

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 17:52 PMdaspoulos

Lol introduce cheaper tech costs for ostheer down to allied levels and dual equipping and you've got a deal. I mean we gotta make everything the same right? Also don't give free squads for USF teching and make it so everyone has to build buildings with engineer units. Sounds good? no? Then fuck off.

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 01:17 AMdaspoulos

Considering allied teching is lower than axis, why should they get grenades right from the get go?

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 17:59 PMKatitof

Lets start equalizing costs from T1 to T3.

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Done! Relative costs to get P4 are about equal to T34 and sherman.
Everything above is a bonus you need to pay extra for.

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 04:59 AMCadianGuardsman

This thread takes the cake for not understanding asymmetrical balance and faction flavour at all. Not to mention it's misleading. Brit mills bombs and Ruskie molotovs are crazy at the moment. No denying that. They need to be locked behind a tech, arguably so should anti-vehcile grenades for the USF (should be tied into the grenades tech).

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 20:26 PMElSlayer

Yeah, also remove free units from USF teching.

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 17:02 PMniutudis

I never saw anything unfair in the grenade tech costs for allies, but I´ve seen a lot of babyrage about it on the steamforum by the usual usf-fanbois.

Axis can throw their munitions away with those grenades instead of using it on something more usefull... So what? Is that realy such a bad thing?

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 18:26 PMRollo

The only faction that shouldn't have to upgrade for grenades is brits, they are too manpower starved.

Americans get stock 5 man squads, AT grenades, doctrinal LMG's and flamers all MP free and BAR/Zook units through tech. Brits get two shitty howitzers and an 150mp and 25 fuel upgrade for grenades that doesn't even come with smoke like it's USF counterpart.

Don't even get me started on PIAT's

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 20:26 PMElSlayer

Yeah, also remove free units from USF teching.

Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 09:01 AMmomo4sho

That would be fair, if BARs and nades would be unlocked if you teched to LT/CPT. but since we aren't in fairy tale land that isn't a valid counter argument. I really hope you aren't arguing for the sake of arguing in this context.

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