does anyone know if this tank will make a debut in MP for USF since it already made an appearance in CoH2 AA?
USF 76mm Sherman?
29 Sep 2015, 00:15 AM
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does anyone know if this tank will make a debut in MP for USF since it already made an appearance in CoH2 AA?
29 Sep 2015, 00:44 AM
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We have this already in multiplayer. Just play soviets and you have that tank.
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29 Sep 2015, 00:47 AM
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The USF doesn't need anymore vehicles since the faction is already very powerful and viable.
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29 Sep 2015, 01:06 AM
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I'd love to see this as a stock unit, although now that the Sherman has the same AT performance it seems sadly unnecessary.
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29 Sep 2015, 01:18 AM
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Would be nice for a new commander, I always liked them better then the Easy 8s.
29 Sep 2015, 01:23 AM
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I'd love to see this as a stock unit, although now that the Sherman has the same AT performance it seems sadly unnecessary.
not when u have to switch between AP and HE shells for the 75mm sherman its kinda of an inconvenience if u ask me
29 Sep 2015, 03:34 AM
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not when u have to switch between AP and HE shells for the 75mm sherman its kinda of an inconvenience if u ask me
I do believe that was the point.
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29 Sep 2015, 04:46 AM
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not when u have to switch between AP and HE shells for the 75mm sherman its kinda of an inconvenience if u ask me
You don't have do, I mean, you could just leave it on AP. It's about the same effectiveness as the Panzer IV's gun against Infantry.
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29 Sep 2015, 08:44 AM
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USF have 76mm EZ8 so what role would it have?
Soviets also have their own 76mm sherman.
That is AA unit and it makes no sense to add it to current USF.
Soviets also have their own 76mm sherman.
That is AA unit and it makes no sense to add it to current USF.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
29 Sep 2015, 09:10 AM
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Add Rangers if we're talking about AA Kappa
29 Sep 2015, 09:13 AM
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Add Rangers if we're talking about AA Kappa
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Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
29 Sep 2015, 09:23 AM
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29 Sep 2015, 09:34 AM
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Why don't they replace the 75mm M4A3 with the 76mm M4A3 anyway? Hasn't CoH2 shifted to late 1944-early 1945 now? 75mm M4A3s were basically outdated from mid-1943 onwards and large quantities of them were given the 76mm upgrade. If it was added, maybe increase the fuel cost by 15 fuel and 40 MP or something to accommodate the much improved penetration of the 76?
29 Sep 2015, 10:31 AM
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isn;t it the same of ez8
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29 Sep 2015, 14:11 PM
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Why don't they replace the 75mm M4A3 with the 76mm M4A3 anyway? Hasn't CoH2 shifted to late 1944-early 1945 now? 75mm M4A3s were basically outdated from mid-1943 onwards and large quantities of them were given the 76mm upgrade. If it was added, maybe increase the fuel cost by 15 fuel and 40 MP or something to accommodate the much improved penetration of the 76?
Because the T-34-85 doctrine, although since 1944 T-34-85 was the main medium tank of the Red Army.
29 Sep 2015, 14:21 PM
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You don't have do, I mean, you could just leave it on AP. It's about the same effectiveness as the Panzer IV's gun against Infantry.
Panzer:
AoE radius:
2.5
AoE far:
1.875
AoE mid:
1.25
AoE near:
0.75
Reload:
5.3-5.7
Sherman:
AoE radius:
2.0
AoE far:
1.5
AoE mid:
1.0
AoE near:
0.5
Reload:
5.6-6.0
Seems worse to me so I have no idea what you are talking about.
29 Sep 2015, 15:19 PM
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Why don't they replace the 75mm M4A3 with the 76mm M4A3 anyway? Hasn't CoH2 shifted to late 1944-early 1945 now? 75mm M4A3s were basically outdated from mid-1943 onwards and large quantities of them were given the 76mm upgrade. If it was added, maybe increase the fuel cost by 15 fuel and 40 MP or something to accommodate the much improved penetration of the 76?
They weren't 'given' the 76mm upgrade, nor was the 76mm an upgrade. The 76mm Sherman variants were considered seperate from 75mm Sherman variants. They were intended to supplement the 75mm. The first 76mm Shermans only reached the US 1st Army in Europe in July, 1944. Even by 1945 75mm Shermans still made up half (sometimes even more than half) of tank battalions.
29 Sep 2015, 15:54 PM
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They weren't 'given' the 76mm upgrade, nor was the 76mm an upgrade. The 76mm Sherman variants were considered seperate from 75mm Sherman variants. They were intended to supplement the 75mm. The first 76mm Shermans only reached the US 1st Army in Europe in July, 1944. Even by 1945 75mm Shermans still made up half (sometimes even more than half) of tank battalions.
And considering that the CoH2 timeframe has shifted to late-44 early-45, how is this not a reasonable suggestion? Even 50% or 33% or whatever of THOUSANDS is a lot. USF tech is stuck in 1943 basically, whilst all the goodies were deployed in mid-late 1944..
29 Sep 2015, 16:04 PM
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And considering that the CoH2 timeframe has shifted to late-44 early-45, how is this not a reasonable suggestion? Even 50% or 33% or whatever of THOUSANDS is a lot. USF tech is stuck in 1943 basically, whilst all the goodies were deployed in mid-late 1944..
An M4A3(75)W isn't exactly 1943 tech....
Nor is an M4A3E8 lol
Look, the 76 could maybe be put somewhere but imo it shouldn't replace the 75mm.
29 Sep 2015, 19:33 PM
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Panzer:
AoE radius:
2.5
AoE far:
1.875
AoE mid:
1.25
AoE near:
0.75
Reload:
5.3-5.7
Sherman:
AoE radius:
2.0
AoE far:
1.5
AoE mid:
1.0
AoE near:
0.5
Reload:
5.6-6.0
Seems worse to me so I have no idea what you are talking about.
Scatter Angle:
Panzer IV: 7.5
Sherman: 6.0
Scatter Distance:
Panzer IV: 6.4
Sherman: 6.2
And considering that the CoH2 timeframe has shifted to late-44 early-45, how is this not a reasonable suggestion? Even 50% or 33% or whatever of THOUSANDS is a lot. USF tech is stuck in 1943 basically, whilst all the goodies were deployed in mid-late 1944..
Uh, USF is late 1944. The US Army was very stubborn and refused to accept the 76mm Shermans as a replacement despite superior AT performance. In their minds, Shermans weren't supposed to fight Tanks, they were supposed to fight Infantry and Fortifications, and for this the Army kept using low velocity guns because of their superior HE round. They believed that Tank Destroyers were supposed to kill tanks, although this is poorly represented because the USF Tank Destroyers in CoH2 lack their real-life advantages.
The US Army didn't change their minds until losses incurred during the Ardennes Counteroffensive which were the result of Tank Destroyers being too few and Shermans being incapable of fighting Panzers efficiently. It was after this that Eisenhower finally gave the order to cease production and delivery of 75mm Shermans and send only 76mm Shermans.
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