[USF] [All Modes] [Pack Howie cost]

Jump back to quoted post23 Sep 2015, 08:13 AMWFA_DoomTornado

Problem:

• USF is a faction which isn't struggling in the AI department. Their baseline inf can rip apart German wussies and give each one 2 zooks and they can hard-counter any medium vehicles as well, their supposed hard-counters.
  
  The pack howie is possibly the best piece of arty in game, wiping at least 3 models with each shell, hard countering the ISG, destroying OKW trucks, pin the HMG42, wipe out GrW34s and has 2 awesome abilities and could be used as an occasional AT.
  
  Now all is good and well, but the price is way too low for such a potent and game changing unit. The stats could see some adjustments as well.
  

Solutions:

• Suggested stats changes: Minimum distance from 40 to 50
  Maximum distance from 80 to 75
  Penetration from 85 to 45
  AOE Radius from 6 (WTF!?) to 3
  Damage near from 2.5 to 1.25
  
• Or; Cost adjustment: Cost changed to 600, pop cap changed to 14
  
  It still will be a potent and reliable mobile arty without any cheesy wipes or breaking OKW core design feature.
  
  
  

Jump back to quoted post23 Sep 2015, 15:47 PMImagelessbean

Pak Howie is not as good as ISG and comes later. These suggestions will in no way improve the game.

Jump back to quoted post23 Sep 2015, 15:47 PMImagelessbean

Many of the people here are being rude, but they are correct.

Jump back to quoted post23 Sep 2015, 16:29 PMREforever

I'm with DoomTornado regarding how efficient and effective the Pack artillery is. I played an OKW game last night where a USF player got out 2 Packs, and they completely shut down my infantry, counter shotted my ISG and proceeded to win the game.

For it's price, it's just too effective; it has instant suppression, it can wipe squads pretty easily and it's cheap. Most obvious solution is to obviously increase it's MP cost, so that the price reflects the performance of the unit. Making the Pack artillery a 2 man support weapon is also another solution that will balance it.

Jump back to quoted post23 Sep 2015, 16:43 PMAustralian Magic

I might be little pain in the ass but your PC shows that you haven't played any OKW game recently.
Nor random, nor AT. Just sayin


Leig has instant suppression as well, can wipe squads also very easily, it's cheaper, comes earlier, easier to make 2 of them, higher range andcovered by schwerer + med.

Jump back to quoted post23 Sep 2015, 16:53 PMREforever

I played a OKW 2v2 on one of my smurfs obviously.

Leig is balanced though since OKW doesn't have a very good core Army that can stand up to the other factions, and the suppression is lesser than the Pack artillery one, so if anything the Leig needs a few buffs unless Relic plans on giving buffs for Volks Grenadiers, Obersoldatens and MG34's. USF core army is already better than OKW, so when a USF player gets out a Pack artillery unit ore two on top of their core army, it's simply not balanced. Why should USF get both a strong core army AND the best support weapons in the game?

Jump back to quoted post23 Sep 2015, 16:53 PMREforever

I played a OKW 2v2 on one of my smurfs obviously.

Leig is balanced though since OKW doesn't have a very good core Army that can stand up to the other factions, and the suppression is lesser than the Pack artillery one, so if anything the Leig needs a few buffs unless Relic plans on giving buffs for Volks Grenadiers, Obersoldatens and MG34's. USF core army is already better than OKW, so when a USF player gets out a Pack artillery unit ore two on top of their core army, it's simply not balanced. Why should USF get both a strong core army AND the best support weapons in the game?

Jump back to quoted post23 Sep 2015, 18:44 PMAlexzandvar

Both the LeiG and Pack Howi should just be mirrored to one another in cost and performance. I don't know why they gave the large AoE one to a faction that fights 4 men and the small AoE one to the faction that fights 5-6 men.

Both can have different vet, but I don't see any reason for them to vary so wildly in wipe potential and whatnot.

Basically to say in Technical Terms:

-AoE on both to 4; damage at near 1, damage at mid .5, and damage at far .25.

-Scatter on both to to angle of 6 and distance of 7

-Suppression is an activated ability that gives each 50% less damage but each shot nets you a decently large AoE net and the damage spread over a larger area. Basically air burst shrapnel I guess?

-White Phos on USF, equivalent on OKW. Could just say the LeiG uses mustard gas shells or w/e since Germany didn't use Whit Phos

-Crew on ISG Bump to 5

-Both have 100 range standard

-Both cost 420 MP

There, done.

Jump back to quoted post23 Sep 2015, 08:13 AMWFA_DoomTornado

Penetration from 85 to 45
AOE Radius from 6 (WTF!?) to 3
Damage near from 2.5 to 1.25