Penals

Jump back to quoted post22 Sep 2015, 13:20 PMBurts

So, we now agree that pretty much ALL stock army units are worth their cost and are worth buying in atleast some circumstances...


Except, Penals



Seriously thought, with the current vet 3 buff for cons theres just zero reason to use penals.


I propose some received accuracy when they vet up OR just buff their stock rifles.


Or perhaps buff their flamres? I wouldn't mind penal flamethrowers doing more damage than all other flamers to make them more uesful.


I tried using them a few times, and theres basically zero reason to use them since combat engineers get flamers and conscripts get good scaling now anyways..

Jump back to quoted post22 Sep 2015, 14:27 PMIron Emperor

Perhaps give them a bit more KAPOW on close and close-mid range, would make them way more useful

Jump back to quoted post22 Sep 2015, 14:01 PMAlexzandvar

The reason why Penals suck isn't because their vet is shit. They have some of the best veterancy bonus's in the game (they get 30% more accuracy twice which is huge as accuracy is the biggest determiner in DPS next to just damage). The issue is their rifles are horrible. Not necessarily in reload, but they are highly inaccurate and have a long cool down and aim time (especially at far to mid).

Making their rifles more similar to G43's (like Gren and Fuss ones) would work, since yknow the whole semi-automatic thing. I would also remove the flamethrower package (since their gimmick used to be they never exploded and flamer explosions are so rare now it basically doesn't matter) and replace it with commissar upgrade (unlocked after T3 or T4 is built) that makes them fight harder as they die and cheaper to reinforce.

Jump back to quoted post22 Sep 2015, 14:31 PMbraciszek

Id like penals to act more like penals.

Jump back to quoted post22 Sep 2015, 15:13 PMRMMLz

+1 to Alex's idea. And since we are not gonna see commisars, maybe give them DP-28 upgrade with T3.

They are too damn expensive, they should at least function as Rifles. I agree that flamer is also shit and overlaps CEs. Better SVTs (G43 profile), maybe LMG upgrade and maybe increase their Reinforce price since they have fantastic Vet.

Jump back to quoted post22 Sep 2015, 16:11 PMBeefSurge

Make them have an assault ability where thy can fire flamer on the love.

Jump back to quoted post22 Sep 2015, 16:18 PMvan Voort

Reasons to use Penals:

1) So apparently I am the only person in the universe who uses satchel charges...

Three of them will take out a set-up truck last time I checked, you won't always get the opportunity but no one likes having they and their teammates chase the enemy away from a Truck and then be able to do jackshit to it because all anyone has is small arms

Strategic bridge?

Bye Bye

Building you don't like?

BOOM


2) What else are you going to put in your M3 at the start of the game? All the other options are terrible.


3) They are a hell of lot better unit to put flamers on than engineers.

Jump back to quoted post22 Sep 2015, 13:20 PMBurts

So, we now agree that pretty much ALL stock army units are worth their cost and are worth buying in atleast some circumstances...
Except, Penals

Jump back to quoted post22 Sep 2015, 16:23 PMdasheepeh

well, i used penals a couple of times recently, and satchels never did anything to buildings. they didnt do any damage, even to little and medium wooden houses..

is this intended or a bug?

RELIC!

Strategic bridge?

Jump back to quoted post22 Sep 2015, 17:19 PMWFA_DoomTornado

They beat grens, JLI, Sturmpios, Falls, Pgrens, Storms, ostruppen.... what else do you want.