Those stupid leiG spam

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 07:52 AMJohnnyB

Or a ppsh blob? Or 2 commando squads one next to the other? Or 2-3 shock troops squads massed? Or... Or....?

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 13:35 PMKatitof

I'm quite sure we're not talking about comp stomp games, so I don't know why you're here.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 13:35 PMKatitof

And its not like ISG is the only thing for OKW to counter infantry. Have you ever tries using AA HT? Or Luchs?

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 13:35 PMKatitof

ISG is batshit OP, there is no denying it, there is no defending it, just a couple of incredibly biased jerks stuck in their own small worlds, defending it zealously like they were defending Hitlers bunker themselves. You're one of them.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 13:35 PMKatitof

And if you're such a fan of blobbing, shreck volk spam with 2 long range elite infantry of your choice works as good as ever unless opponent applies proper counters, which are harder to pull off, because volks just happen to counter most of them.

Jump back to quoted post27 Sep 2015, 18:01 PMJohnnyB

Partisans were "fixed" not "balanced" because that's what they needed, being very very broken. In fact, I doubt that even now they are ok.
Judging about the amount of bitching about ISG around here - including yours, I am absolutely convinced it wil be nerfed into oblivion with the next patch, so don't worry to much about it. Everybody who relied in their games on 2+ ISGs will lose their supremacy and will have to come back to struggling like hell against allied spam.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 04:58 AMKeaper!

I think the worst part of the current double ISG dynamic isn't even the range/insta pin/damage, it's the fact that it requires no micro and it's pretty much a build and forget unit. You can just park in a defensive position by your trucks and watch it rack up kills and win engagements for you, not to mention hard-counter any emplacement/building/defensive position/etc.

As USF the only counter play that I've found is to match the isg bs with your own pack howie bs. It's harder since howie comes out later and it's harder to get two, but possible if you position them well. It sucks but at least you can outplay it.

Priest is doctrinal, comes out way late, takes valuable resources better spent otherwise, and is not a reliable counter without direct vision. Sames goes for katty (other than doctrinal part.) Poor brits are dead in the water unless you can somehow manage a centaur flank or something, I don't think you can do anything other than hope to capitalize on an blunder/misposition.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 07:52 AMJohnnyB

And what extreme micro effort must a BAR blob do? Or a ppsh blob? Or 2 commando squads one next to the other? Or 2-3 shock troops squads massed? Or... Or....?

I experienced those cheese things. Just right click left and right around enemy infantry and the high dps weaposn will do the trick without needing any use of grenade, smoke, or other things like these. If I try to do the same thing with sturmpios I will not obtain the same effect. Or with volks. Or with grens. I can do that only with AGs and IR stg Obers because their accuracy on the move is still ok, AGs have 5 models and Obers are more resistant. While 5-6 squad men for soviets and USF are very fit to be used like this. So Axis micro is nothing less than allied micro, Axis having its cheese way for infantry fights also, translating into lmg A+Move blob which is as cheese as dancing Bar blobs for instance.

So let's not exagerate here, if you want cheese with a faction, you can get it.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 14:27 PMPhy

I don't like how howie is performing neither -as I clearly said in my post-. But I can see that leig is far more abusive than howie because of range, price and sinergy with army -flak ht and okw having best counters to support weapons than usf-. I'd be ok with a nerf in both units -specially in terms of supression-. The thing is that you can not see the same as me because you're an axis fanboy, and I'm ok with it, but not with you having voice in a serious balance argue.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 14:31 PMGhostTX

Problem with Howies is they're T3, expensive, no armor protection and you can't camp it near a ambulance for it's healing, because OKW will have a Stuka for counter arty that'll just squad wipe the howie's in one shot.



I'm not in favor of blobbing at all. Just saying OKW can do it with out worrying about it for most of the game. ISG come out way early compared to the Howie and OKW doesn't have to manage it's units nearly as much. ISG, insta-pin, take OKW blob and mop up USF.

I'll argue that Axis doesn't have to micro near as much as USF. OKW sturm pios early game? Come on, that' nearly a click and forget unit in early game.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 14:40 PMJohnnyB

USF is realy hard to micro, I hear you. It's the most micro intensive faction may I say, but they are the exception. For some strange reason, Relic made USF very hard to play if you realy are the "combined arms" type. Buuuut.... if you are not, things change. Build your blobus santctus with bars and zookas together with an AT gun or two and see if anyone can realy touch you.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 14:13 PMJohnnyB

Wow you are more clueless than I believed. So OKW blobs still dominates COh2 huh? Did you update your game yet or you are just lost in comrade's Stalin walpaper contemplation?

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 14:42 PMGhostTX

ISG's can... (1 or 2 shot an AT gun, in fact)

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 14:43 PMEsxile

Since you told us earlier in this topic that you only blob to punish your opponent blob, you are confirming us that Axis blob is superior to Allied whatever unit blob.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 15:01 PMIron Emperor

Pack howie does some insane dmg at vet 2, which would probably make it equal to the LeIG

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 14:50 PMKeaper!

Honestly I'd be happy if at the very least they added some actual gameplay mechanic to it. Maybe it could only auto-fire in the cone of fire you point it towards (like an mg)?

The frustration isn't about the stats or anything, it's the fact that a dirt cheap and easily accessible unit can have such a massive impact on the game without you actually having to play it. These "oh look I wiped a squad" and "oh I guess the isg sniped my sniper" moments really need to go.

The same goes for the pack howie to a lesser extent. The frustration is the same but howie at least has less range and can't camp behind med/flak truck and fire into your base.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 14:44 PMJohnnyB

That's the problem. ISGs can, and they are doing it to well for their own good. Without them, it will be exactly the opposite, OKW would be steamrolled.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 14:50 PMKeaper!

Honestly I'd be happy if at the very least they added some actual gameplay mechanic to it. Maybe it could only auto-fire in the cone of fire you point it towards (like an mg)?

The frustration isn't about the stats or anything, it's the fact that a dirt cheap and easily accessible unit can have such a massive impact on the game without you actually having to play it. These "oh look I wiped a squad" and "oh I guess the isg sniped my sniper" moments really need to go.

The same goes for the pack howie to a lesser extent. The frustration is the same but howie at least has less range and can't camp behind med/flak truck and fire into your base.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 14:37 PMJohnnyB

Well, being an axis "fanboy" more or less, turns me into a player that knows what these factions are actualy. And seeing how you imagine that a ISG + flak HT is possible without being murdered in lategame makes me smile. Just sayin'.