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Why should 17P cost fuel and cannot shoot through wall?

17 Sep 2015, 13:58 PM
#1
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while Pak43 cost no fuel and wallhax 24/7? :foreveralone:
DeC
17 Sep 2015, 14:06 PM
#2
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Different factions, different design, different shortcomings/advantages.
17 Sep 2015, 14:06 PM
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I would rather decrease the MP cost of Pak43 and the LeFH and add a fuel cost to be in line with the Brits emplacements.
17 Sep 2015, 14:10 PM
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Pak43 doesn't have brace.

17pdr could use a decrease in price and popcap though.
17 Sep 2015, 14:46 PM
#5
avatar of Rocket

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I don't think the fuel cost is the problem with brits it is the damn MP cost especially for mortar pits there MP cost is insane. Of course fixing IS mp drain might help.
17 Sep 2015, 14:52 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Sep 2015, 14:06 PMluvnest
I would rather decrease the MP cost of Pak43 and the LeFH and add a fuel cost to be in line with the Brits emplacements.


It would be unfair for an fuel stared or better said fuel penaltied faction as the OKW to do that. I'd earlier want to see a fuel decrease or removal
17 Sep 2015, 15:11 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Sep 2015, 14:06 PMluvnest
I would rather decrease the MP cost of Pak43 and the LeFH and add a fuel cost to be in line with the Brits emplacements.


But the Brit's one is also non doctrinal ;)
17 Sep 2015, 15:18 PM
#8
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But the Brit's one is also non doctrinal ;)

Ost ostwind and OKW ostwind cost the same, one is doctrinal one is not.
OKW one isn't cheaper because its doctrinal.


Just saying somewhat related example for the argument.
17 Sep 2015, 15:23 PM
#9
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I feel like the pak43 shouldn't get an acceptation to shoot through buildings. Its just silly, Units shouldn't be able to shoot through buildings.
17 Sep 2015, 15:24 PM
#10
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Just on a semi-related side note:

Using the 17pdr's garrison bonus alongside the Command Vehicle's current aura buff, it makes the 17pdr shoot at a ridiculously fast rate. It shoots so fast that the reload animation only half completes before it shoots again haha.
17 Sep 2015, 15:43 PM
#11
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because krupp steel
17 Sep 2015, 16:00 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Sep 2015, 15:18 PMKatitof

Ost ostwind and OKW ostwind cost the same, one is doctrinal one is not.
OKW one isn't cheaper because its doctrinal.


Just saying somewhat related example for the argument.


#game mechanics #faction design :thumb:
17 Sep 2015, 16:06 PM
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pak 43 can get decrewed by a summer breeze. From my understanding, 17 pounder can't get decrewed that quickly.
17 Sep 2015, 16:29 PM
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because one is doctrinal and one isn't. Though I can't honestly think of a situation where I would buy a 17 pounder and not just get a firefly with command tank.

Especially after brace nerf.
17 Sep 2015, 16:37 PM
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The pak43 is doctrinal and the doctrines are not too good (For ostheer atleast) and it gets decrewed or even destroyed from pretty much any decent artillery (With extremely good rng it survives with only a few soldier losses or some light dmg to the actual gun)

And about the 17p emplacement, it doesn't bleed MP when hit with most indirect, doesn't really require to have a reinforcement spot next to it, can take a ST shot to the face without getting destroyed (Pak43 can't survive a AVRE shot for comparison), and it has brace to take even less dmg from any sort of attack

These two are so differently designed that they shouldn't be compared imo

The only thing they should change about the Pak43 is the veterancy, it gets vet way too quickly
17 Sep 2015, 18:23 PM
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pak 43 can get decrewed by a summer breeze. From my understanding, 17 pounder can't get decrewed that quickly.


This. If you add fuel price, then PAK should resist against heavy bombardment and crew should be un-sniprable.
17 Sep 2015, 18:31 PM
#17
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20 pop cap.....sigh
17 Sep 2015, 18:35 PM
#18
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17 is good but not worth its price.
With today's brace nerf its going to be useless. Just force to brace, wait for cooldown and kill with anything cause you wont be able to repair under mortars or leig fire.
And that pop cap :foreveralone:
17 Sep 2015, 18:40 PM
#19
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As usual, relic does not balance in increments and completely overnerfs units
17 Sep 2015, 19:17 PM
#20
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pak 43 can get decrewed by a summer breeze. From my understanding, 17 pounder can't get decrewed that quickly.


+1 a small fart and every ones dead
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