Pak 40 to T1, sniper to T2
Everyone happy \/
And USF and sov scout cars to T0 to balance that against "I don't need another tier for 20 minutes" ost?
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Pak 40 to T1, sniper to T2
Everyone happy \/
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And USF and sov scout cars to T0 to balance that against "I don't need another tier for 20 minutes" ost?
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Christ another shit post from you. cant you just be banned or something.
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And USF and sov scout cars to T0 to balance that against "I don't need another tier for 20 minutes" ost?
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You do realize that moving pak40 to T1 will only make it arrive slightly sooner, so it can be a slightly faster counter. No Ost player will make the pak 40 his second or third unit, because then they will have no map control. Early vehicle play can overwhelm Ostheer, so having reasonable light vehicles counters other than the engine crit would be appreciated. Note, the pak40 is expensive and will remain so, even in T1.
Your argument holds no value, the Soviets can start out with an at gun or a scoutcar if they like, since their first two tiers can be selected at the start, unlike Ost needing to tech for it. As for USF, that faction needs a total redesign an unit revamp, it is beyond saving at the moment. Still m20 comes really early with a free bazooka, which can pretty much shut down a 222 and the m20 can most definitely shut down the kubel.
So I ask you to be:
A] Realistic
B] Thoughtful
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222 is much cheaper then M20 and hardcounters it.Yes, except it's also much worse against infantry. That's like saying a T-34 is better than a Katyusha because tanks kill mobile artillery.
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That sounds like T2 unlock for other armies and they still get a third of that kind of package.
Why would I want to tech above T1 and not go straight for T4 if I had T1 AT gun?
That idea is completely stupid, unreasonable and utterly imbalanced.
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Permanently BannedI'm still trying to figure out how a Soviet player, with Conscripts, Maxims, mortars, and the ZiS in T2 is not overpowered, but an Ostheer player with access to Grenadiers, MG42s, mortars, and the PaK is clearly imbalanced.
I'm not advocating that the PaK get moved to T1 - I don't want to see the change made - but there are definitely some logical fallacies getting thrown about here.
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Yes, except it's also much worse against infantry. That's like saying a T-34 is better than a Katyusha because tanks kill mobile artillery.
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I am realistic and thoughtful.
I am able to see the factions by their timings, techings, combined arms possibilities, effectiveness of that, opportunity windows of short life span units.
You're the one who is blind to that, ignoring overpowering synergy that would create for ost, imbalancing completely their tiering and tech pace.
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Yes it is because the ostheer doesnt face m3/m5 ,m20's or bren carriers. its bit ridiculous that the ostheer is the only one that has to face LV's before it counters and no panzerfausts are not counters.
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Did you play vCoH? Historically, the Pak has always been part of T2 and some people in vCoH even skipped T2 entirely, despite the possibility of annoying early Greyhounds. While the Panzerfaust isn't there to annihilate anything, it still fends of light vehicles pretty well and gives you time to get your PAK out.
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You mean like Soviets can build T2, build maxims, mortars and at guns with cons and just wait until they make t4 and get either t34-85s or call in an IS2?
Katikof pls
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You do realize that moving pak40 to T1 will only make it arrive slightly sooner, so it can be a slightly faster counter. No Ost player will make the pak 40 his second or third unit, because then they will have no map control. Early vehicle play can overwhelm Ostheer, so having reasonable light vehicles counters other than the engine crit would be appreciated. Note, the pak40 is expensive and will remain so, even in T1.
Your argument holds no value, the Soviets can start out with an at gun or a scoutcar if they like, since their first two tiers can be selected at the start, unlike Ost needing to tech for it. As for USF, that faction needs a total redesign an unit revamp, it is beyond saving at the moment. Still m20 comes really early with a free bazooka, which can pretty much shut down a 222 and the m20 can most definitely shut down the kubel.
So I ask you to be:
A] Realistic
B] Thoughtful
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I'm still trying to figure out how a Soviet player, with Conscripts, Maxims, mortars, and the ZiS in T2 is not overpowered, but an Ostheer player with access to Grenadiers, MG42s, mortars, and the PaK is clearly imbalanced.
I'm not advocating that the PaK get moved to T1 - I don't want to see the change made - but there are definitely some logical fallacies getting thrown about here.
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Yes, except it's also much worse against infantry. That's like saying a T-34 is better than a Katyusha because tanks kill mobile artillery.
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