the vickers isn't worth 280 mp. Its dps isn't that amazing while its suppression feels significantly weaker than the other mg.
By comparison the hmg42 will suppress and kill as just good if not better while being 20 mp cheaper.
vickers vs hmg42
7 Sep 2015, 21:48 PM
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7 Sep 2015, 21:50 PM
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the vickers isn't worth 280 mp. Its dps isn't that amazing while its suppression feels significantly weaker than the other mg.
By comparison the hmg42 will suppress and kill as just good if not better while being 20 mp cheaper.
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7 Sep 2015, 22:00 PM
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Permanently Bannedthe vickers isn't worth 280 mp. Its dps isn't that amazing while its suppression feels significantly weaker than the other mg.
By comparison the hmg42 will suppress and kill as just good if not better while being 20 mp cheaper.
I think Mg34 and .50 cal disagree with you on this one
7 Sep 2015, 22:02 PM
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I quite like it for the most part. After all, it's an Allied MG that covers a massive area and gets really good with Vet. Just wish it had more abilities and an original portrait.
7 Sep 2015, 22:03 PM
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I love how lone volk squad can crawl into vickers, throw grenade and force it to retreat.
If Relic don't want to step aside from "expensive but very powerful units" conception with Brits by reducing vickers cost, it should pin in 2nd burst like hmg42 does.
If Relic don't want to step aside from "expensive but very powerful units" conception with Brits by reducing vickers cost, it should pin in 2nd burst like hmg42 does.
7 Sep 2015, 22:04 PM
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Isn't it pretty much a complete copy-paste from the MG42?
7 Sep 2015, 22:05 PM
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the vickers isn't worth 280 mp. Its dps isn't that amazing while its suppression feels significantly weaker than the other mg.
By comparison the hmg42 will suppress and kill as just good if not better while being 20 mp cheaper.
Considering the Vickers kinda clowns an all other MG's veterancy I would say it's well worth the 280 MP.
7 Sep 2015, 22:07 PM
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The Vickers is great as a machine gun for the allies, much better than US counter part.
7 Sep 2015, 22:08 PM
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Isn't it pretty much a complete copy-paste from the MG42?
Although i have no idea about exact stats i can tell it somewhat lower damage and significantly weaker suppression.
For 280mp instead of 260mp on faction which bleed mp much more.
7 Sep 2015, 22:11 PM
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here is the vicker's dps
0 10 20 30 35 40 45
38.1494|28.8050|20.8592|14.2235|11.3688|8.8077|6.5287
here is the hmg42's dps (http://www.coh2-stats.com/small_arms/hmg_team_mg42_mp)
0 10 20 30 35 40 45
27.7200|27.7200|19.6635|13.3871|10.82707|8.6094|6.7045
The vicker is significantly better at point blank point, but that's completely useless. Otherwise its dps is only a bit better than the hmg42.
because it's fair comparing the 280 mp vicker (the most expensive mg team in the game) to the 210mp mg34 (the cheapest mg team in the game)
0 10 20 30 35 40 45
38.1494|28.8050|20.8592|14.2235|11.3688|8.8077|6.5287
here is the hmg42's dps (http://www.coh2-stats.com/small_arms/hmg_team_mg42_mp)
0 10 20 30 35 40 45
27.7200|27.7200|19.6635|13.3871|10.82707|8.6094|6.7045
The vicker is significantly better at point blank point, but that's completely useless. Otherwise its dps is only a bit better than the hmg42.
I think Mg34 and .50 cal disagree with you on this one
because it's fair comparing the 280 mp vicker (the most expensive mg team in the game) to the 210mp mg34 (the cheapest mg team in the game)
7 Sep 2015, 22:13 PM
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A vicker beat my mg42 earlier today, they just fired at each other and the vicker won
7 Sep 2015, 22:13 PM
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i see jadame is having trouble in 4v4 using a vickers. Kappa
7 Sep 2015, 22:17 PM
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here is the vicker's dps
0 10 20 30 35 40 45
38.1494|28.8050|20.8592|14.2235|11.3688|8.8077|6.5287
here is the hmg42's dps (http://www.coh2-stats.com/small_arms/hmg_team_mg42_mp)
0 10 20 30 35 40 45
27.7200|27.7200|19.6635|13.3871|10.82707|8.6094|6.7045
The vicker is better at point blank point, but really that's completely useless. Otherwise its dps is only a bit better than the hmg42.
Case in point; it's similar but scales better due to it's great veterancy. I wouldn't be opposed to it getting put down to 260 MP, but generally I think a better fix that all HMG's should get is an extra man for the OKW and USF ones and a removal of the recieved accuracy bonus for all factions.
7 Sep 2015, 22:20 PM
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Considering the Vickers kinda clowns an all other MG's veterancy I would say it's well worth the 280 MP.
Case in point; it's similar but scales better due to it's great veterancy. I wouldn't be opposed to it getting put down to 260 MP, but generally I think a better fix that all HMG's should get is an extra man for the OKW and USF ones and a removal of the recieved accuracy bonus for all factions.
vickers have almost the same veterancy as the mg42.
7 Sep 2015, 22:29 PM
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Permanently Bannedhere is the vicker's dps
0 10 20 30 35 40 45
38.1494|28.8050|20.8592|14.2235|11.3688|8.8077|6.5287
here is the hmg42's dps (http://www.coh2-stats.com/small_arms/hmg_team_mg42_mp)
0 10 20 30 35 40 45
27.7200|27.7200|19.6635|13.3871|10.82707|8.6094|6.7045
The vicker is significantly better at point blank point, but that's completely useless. Otherwise its dps is only a bit better than the hmg42.
because it's fair comparing the 280 mp vicker (the most expensive mg team in the game) to the 210mp mg34 (the cheapest mg team in the game)
Vickers also comes way quicker than a Mg34 or a .50 cal.
7 Sep 2015, 22:31 PM
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vickers have almost the same veterancy as the mg42.
The MG42 doesn't get 25% more range/sight in buildings/garrisons at Vet 1, and the penetration buff at Vet 2 gives it more pen than the HMG42.
7 Sep 2015, 22:37 PM
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The MG42 doesn't get 25% more range/sight in buildings/garrisons at Vet 1, and the penetration buff at Vet 2 gives it more pen than the HMG42.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d3aYe4-ykAW2z_vzqR51vXkl1kO7YuXTLNNpy3R509g/edit#gid=1409942215
the mg42 get the awesome incendiary round at vet 1, and the vicker's vet1 bonus require it to be in a building or the tommies to build a 50 mp trench.
the mg42 get +30% weapon suppression and the vicker get +30% weapon penetration. If I want the mg42 to kill vehicle at vet 2 I can just pop the ability.
the Weapon penetration bonus on the vicker is kind of meh. 2.47\2.08\1.69 is hardly useful against anything more durable than the 222.
Vickers also comes way quicker than a Mg34 or a .50 cal.
and the hmg42 arrive at the same time as the vicker. The .50cal isn't even the vicker's direct opponent.
7 Sep 2015, 22:39 PM
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I think your underestimating how powerful having 56 range while in buildings or trenches is but like I said I wouldn't be that opposed to it being 260 MP.
7 Sep 2015, 23:38 PM
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I don't mind the hmg42 being cheaper yet more cost effective than other HMGs because that should IMO be a "signature unit" of Ostheer, just like Riflemen for USF, Clowncar for Sovs, and OKW kubel.
Off topic, what I do mind is factions getting exceptional units that don't match their flavor. (LMG grens, pack howie, IS-2, Panzerfusiliers/Luchs, etc.)
Off topic, what I do mind is factions getting exceptional units that don't match their flavor. (LMG grens, pack howie, IS-2, Panzerfusiliers/Luchs, etc.)
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8 Sep 2015, 00:32 AM
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Off topic, what I do mind is factions getting exceptional units that don't match their flavor. (LMG grens, IS-2)
Uh what? Infantry with Machine Guns don't fit Germans and IS-2 Heavy Tanks don't fit Soviets? What war are you thinking of?
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