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18 Aug 2015, 10:15 AM
#41
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 10:07 AMBlalord
The logic in this game is sometimes strange ...

LMG 34 = Best LMG in the game
HMG 34 = Worst HMG in the game

(i'am not asking at all for a up of HMG 34 in terms of damage, just pointing the absence of logic here)


M3 Half-Track = Worst Half-Track in the game.
M5 Half-Track = Best Half-Track in the game.

Strange logic indeed.
18 Aug 2015, 11:03 AM
#42
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Seems to work OK for me when used in pairs against an USF player.

However, in the spirit of this thread.. increase cost to 280 - 300, and add insano level damage.





18 Aug 2015, 11:36 AM
#43
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 09:29 AMEsxile
So don't buff Mg34 damage.


Missed your "do this only if it is buffed" part of your original message.
18 Aug 2015, 12:59 PM
#44
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Why have a doctrinal unit that has a MACHINEGUN, but don't let it do damage? It makes no sense. It makes even less sense when you factor in the current situation of the mg34, its suppression is shit.



You do realize you can't have another MG42?
18 Aug 2015, 13:25 PM
#45
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 09:19 AMEsxile
MG34 to suppress + Sturm to deal damage. If you increase MG34 damage you have to reduce sturm ones.


This is really the worst solution to a problem Kappa
18 Aug 2015, 13:35 PM
#46
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I think a lot of people are missing the fact that it costs more than a squad of Ostruppen but does 1/6th the DPS of one at far. There is zero excuse for it's current DPS profile or it's suppression profile.

Increasing the cost to 240 while buffing it would be fine, but right now it has zero redeeming qualities.

18 Aug 2015, 13:44 PM
#47
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I think a lot of people are missing the fact that it costs more than a squad of Ostruppen but does 1/6th the DPS of one at far. There is zero excuse for it's current DPS profile or it's suppression profile.

Increasing the cost to 240 while buffing it would be fine, but right now it has zero redeeming qualities.



Squad of osttruppen doesn't suppress blobs.

Its cheapest MG in game, there is zero excuse for it to have better stats.
18 Aug 2015, 13:46 PM
#48
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You do realize you can't have another MG42?


You do realize that an MG needs to suppress and do damage? I never stated I wanted another MG42, I just stated that it needs to do damage. It is a machinegun that fires bullets, bullets should do damage :bananadance:
18 Aug 2015, 13:46 PM
#49
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it has zero redeeming qualities.




its 210mp and has vet 5, deal with it


18 Aug 2015, 13:48 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 13:44 PMKatitof


Its cheapest MG in game, there is zero excuse for it to have better stats.


What? Sorry? Didn't you mean to say: it is a German unit so it has zero excuses to have better stats?
18 Aug 2015, 13:49 PM
#51
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Vet 5 needs to go, for every OKW unit.
18 Aug 2015, 13:57 PM
#52
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this unit used to be a godlike machine, but now i never really get it because to me it's more or less so dead, i'm better off with a kubel
18 Aug 2015, 13:57 PM
#53
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You do realize that an MG needs to suppress and do damage? I never stated I wanted another MG42, I just stated that it needs to do damage. It is a machinegun that fires bullets, bullets should do damage :bananadance:



What's wrong with its suppression? Was and is fine for ages now. It's the cheapest of all the HMG and does an excellent job for its price.


bullets should do damage :bananadance:
Tell that to Rear Echelon troops for example. It's a game FFS!
18 Aug 2015, 13:58 PM
#54
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Aug 2015, 13:44 PMKatitof


Squad of osttruppen doesn't suppress blobs.

Its cheapest MG in game, there is zero excuse for it to have better stats.


It can't kill nor can it evenly suppress blobs before dying due to the poor suppression per burst. At least the .50 cal has some kick to it and the Maxim has a more survivable crew. The MG34 again; has the worst far DPS of any unit in the game. A single G43 from a Pfuss does more close range DPS.

its 210mp and has vet 5, deal with it


Except it can't vet up with it's current shit DPS.
18 Aug 2015, 14:00 PM
#55
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What's wrong with its suppression? Was and is fine for ages now. It's the cheapest of all the HMG and does an excellent job for its price.


The suppression is shit is whats (one) of the problems. It only costs 30 less MP than the Maxim but has almost 50% less suppression.

Tell that to Rear Echelon troops for example. It's a game FFS!


Rear Echelons do more DPS at every single range than the MG34 does lmao
18 Aug 2015, 14:03 PM
#56
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That's not best idea, unless you change Kubel to something similar during alpha.


Not to mention 1 CP further delays the already limited window of usefulness. And a 0 CP call-in out be hard to balance IMO due to cut-off rushing gayness that would almost certainly be abused.

It does its job well enough for its insanely low cost. I think part of the problem is that a lot of players are gotten so used to the MG42 that its hard to tolerate the 34 (though OKW with MG42 would be kinda OP I think). It doesn't help that the Kubel is a weird unit that has a limited window of usefulness and is kind of worthless because of 1. Stupid 100% Main Gun Destroyed Crit by small arms fire bug 2. Probably the most retarded pathing in the game
18 Aug 2015, 14:04 PM
#57
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What's wrong with its suppression? Was and is fine for ages now. It's the cheapest of all the HMG and does an excellent job for its price.


Yes, thus raise its damage and have it as a potent weapon, instead of a weapon that can get decrewed in the blink of an eye by an American bar blob.


Tell that to Rear Echelon troops for example. It's a game FFS!

REs with double bar rape anything. Also scale better into late game and don't make you bleed as much.

And FFS!!!!! Pioneers don't do any damage at range!!!!!!!! FFS!!!
18 Aug 2015, 14:07 PM
#58
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It does its job well enough for its insanely low cost.


Compared to what? It has less DPS than multiple things that are far cheaper than it is.

18 Aug 2015, 14:09 PM
#59
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DPS isn't it's main role, though. It's supposed to suppress blobs, and it does that better than a maxim while costing less than a maxim. The maxim has other advantages but I don't think the MG34 is really such a bad unit.
18 Aug 2015, 14:10 PM
#60
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DPS isn't it's main role, though. It's supposed to suppress blobs, and it does that better than a maxim while costing less than a maxim. The maxim has other advantages but I don't think the MG34 is really such a bad unit.


Did you even read the OP? It does less suppression than the maxim does.
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