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Crushing infantry OP

26 Jul 2015, 12:16 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post26 Jul 2015, 02:19 AMSwonVIP
Just experienced that it is easier to crush infantry with allied than with axis tanks... Dont ask me why.

T34, Sherman, M10 probably the best tanks to crush inf

Because they are weaker, they tend to be faster. Past the trait of being able to crush infantry, speed is a vital consideration to doing so as the vehicle needs to move fast enough while turning to manage to hit into the infantry them as they play their animation for dodging to the side to avoid being crushed while the vehicle approaches. The faster it moves, the easier it is to crush infantry because then it barely has to turn into infantry dodging to run them over.

Well, I suppose rotation would matter too, but I'll admit I can't really notice any difference in that factor among the fast vehicles.

I'll say its more about acceleration than top speed. Also against Allies, you have to actually crush more models in comparison. That's why it looks harder.

Also technically, I'm pretty sure basically every unit varies in acceleration and speed in about the same manner. As in, if one unit is faster than another unit, they'll probably also differ in acceleration to a similar degree.

So even if the actual trait defining crushing in practice for vehicles isn't speed, regarding a difference in crushing effectiveness between vehicles can still probably be superficially determined by their max speed. :D
26 Jul 2015, 12:46 PM
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No thanks, crushing infantry is fun.
26 Jul 2015, 16:09 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post26 Jul 2015, 12:16 PMVuther

Because they are weaker, they tend to be faster. Past the trait of being able to crush infantry, speed is a vital consideration to doing so as the vehicle needs to move fast enough while turning to manage to hit into the infantry them as they play their animation for dodging to the side to avoid being crushed while the vehicle approaches. The faster it moves, the easier it is to crush infantry because then it barely has to turn into infantry dodging to run them over.

Thanks sir for the enlightment :)
26 Jul 2015, 17:34 PM
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crushing is fine, it is just tank micro.
26 Jul 2015, 18:54 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post26 Jul 2015, 09:54 AMSierra



How about you get me a replay that says you can't capture an Allied tank and rack up that many kills through pure crush with ease?


The onus is on you M8.
26 Jul 2015, 22:36 PM
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The onus is on you M8.


Tell you what, next time it happens, I'll do it again and keep the replay for you. Otherwise you're just gonna have to take my word for it.
27 Jul 2015, 00:15 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post26 Jul 2015, 07:33 AMSierra


Okay, let's say you're right. Just got out of a 4's game. Captured a T-34/85 used Troop Training to vet it up. Then proceeded to crush 23 infantry and kill a single T-34/76. I crushed to death so many squads.

This didn't really require any skill or finesse other than to micro the movement patterns. However, the T-34 series of tanks have a much higher movement speed than any German tank. The German tanks however don't really do this. I mean, they do, but they have a much harder time of it.

Your unnecessary elitist crap and talking down to people is irritating, and quite honestly, it seems to be the fashion around here to call people trolls when they express a view or talk to you in a way you find displeasing.


So you use troop training to get a T3485 to vet3. (Cause the other vet levels don't affect mobility)

T3485:
6.3/2.5/34
Vet3:
7.56/3/40.8

PIV: 6.3/2.1/32
Vet3: 6.3/2.52/38.4
Blitz: 8.5/2.73
Vet3 Blitz: 8.5/3.28/38.4

PV: 6.6/2.4/30
Blitz: 7.59/3.12
Vet3: 6.6/2.64/36
Vet3 Blitz: 7.59/3.43/36

Unless you want to trade Blitz and Axis veterancy on tanks for the Allies one i think the problem is the player and not the game.
27 Jul 2015, 00:50 AM
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So you use troop training to get a T3485 to vet3. (Cause the other vet levels don't affect mobility)

T3485:
6.3/2.5/34
Vet3:
7.56/3/40.8

PIV: 6.3/2.1/32
Vet3: 6.3/2.52/38.4
Blitz: 8.5/2.73
Vet3 Blitz: 8.5/3.28/38.4

PV: 6.6/2.4/30
Blitz: 7.59/3.12
Vet3: 6.6/2.64/36
Vet3 Blitz: 7.59/3.43/36

Unless you want to trade Blitz and Axis veterancy on tanks for the Allies one i think the problem is the player and not the game.


Raw numbers don't tell the whole story, so please cut the theorycrafting and look at what is practically applicable.

People can and do crush with German tanks, that's not what I'm arguing. What I am arguing is that Allied tanks have a greatly significantly easier time crushing than German tanks do. The numbers on your spreadsheet are not indicative of this.

Though I am curious what the 40.8 under the T-34/85 represents. 7.56/3/40.8
As that might be the difference between being able to crush or not crush.
27 Jul 2015, 02:04 AM
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Max speed/acceleration/rotation
For comparison this is the M10 stats.
7/3.2/30

27 Jul 2015, 06:39 AM
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Max speed/acceleration/rotation
For comparison this is the M10 stats.
7/3.2/30




Well try not to blame it on a lack of capability and trying. It's just my experience I've found the Allied tanks I've captured to be far more capable than their Axis counterparts in crushing.
27 Jul 2015, 09:13 AM
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It's just about M10 crushing capabilities. But that makes the TD unique while not being as potent as M36 is.
So I would rather let that M10 TD alone, it has its limitations. It's fine as it is, with crushing abilities or not.
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