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EZ8 should have 800hp

20 Jul 2015, 04:51 AM
#21
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 03:19 AMCyanara
"This isn't a simulator" aside, I was surprised to see that a tin can like the Sherman was given higher armour values than the late-war sloped armour of the T34-85. But then I remembered that HP has effectively no real world basis.

In fact, it's practically impossible to ever get a satisfying hit on a t34/85 in this game thanks to its high HP. You only ever knock off a few pixels unless it's a Pak 43.


The only armour change from 1943/44 T34s to T34-85s was thicker turrets up to 90mm. Hull armour was the same 45mm as the 1941 era T34's. (there were limited run factory up armour hull kits for the 76mm armed T34s but it was decided it'd be better to have the larger turret and 85mm gun than upgrading the hull armour)

Sherman's had thicker (always sloped) frontal Hull (54mm-108) and turret armour 76mm in the continuous upgrades that resulted in the M4A3E8 W 64-108mm front hull and 64mm overlaid with a 89mm mantlet.
Sherman had thicker armour on the front but thinner side armour. With the wet stowage upgrades it burned less after penetrations than T34's, PIV, and Panthers meaning less dead crew members.


Note that in Soviet service M4A2 were eventually concentrated in elite/proven formations such as 1st Guards Mechanized Corps, 3rd Guards Mechanized Corps, and 9th Guards Mechanized Corps. Not exactly indicative as being regarded as bottom of the barrel equipment for "penal" or "green" corps units.
20 Jul 2015, 06:08 AM
#22
avatar of Iron Emperor

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Kappa Ez8's could use the buff. But in exchange it should get an armor nerf. 215 armor vs 160 armor Kappa
20 Jul 2015, 06:23 AM
#23
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How useful should this commander be?
You guys all complain about the stale meta, yet you want to buff a unit in a commander that's played in 9 out of 10 games.

Let's face it:
Elite Rifles - USEFUL
Flares - USEFUL
Flamethrowers - USEFUL
Phosphor Barrage - USEFUL
E8 - Somehow useful, still the best medium tank after the T34/85
20 Jul 2015, 06:25 AM
#24
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Posts: 209

Halftrack buff pls. Mecha commander needs some love.
20 Jul 2015, 06:42 AM
#25
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20 Jul 2015, 06:43 AM
#26
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Whats with this myth that t34s had really good armor just because short barreled 75mm and long 50mm guns have trouble that t34s have great armor? Its 1944-1945 people. Sloped 45mm plates isn't magic that doubled armor thickness. Sloped 45mm on the t34 is still lower than the vertical 80mm on the panzer4. Jesus.

And no, the easy 8s armor is fine. Its health is fine. It performs quite well for its price.
20 Jul 2015, 06:49 AM
#27
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Whats with this myth that t34s had really good armor just because short barreled 75mm and long 50mm guns have trouble that t34s have great armor? Its 1944-1945 people. Sloped 45mm plates isn't magic that doubled armor thickness. Sloped 45mm on the t34 is still lower than the vertical 80mm on the panzer4. Jesus.

And no, the easy 8s armor is fine. Its health is fine. It performs quite well for its price.


I do agree with you, but if they wanted to higher it's health, then it's armour should be decreased by a bit to compensate.
20 Jul 2015, 06:53 AM
#28
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Sadly this forum has turned into a Buff Axis Yay, Buff Allies- nay. An m3 halftrack with more hp would hurt anyone.
20 Jul 2015, 07:18 AM
#29
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T-34/85 costs 130 fuel and has 800hp

OKW P4 costs 135 fuel and has 640hp

Its a no-brainer imo

give it 800hp :snfPeter:


Should we mirror all units or should we keep them somehow unique? Next thing would be to buff the soviet M4C.
Right now every premium medium has a stat it excels at;

while having no mg upgrade, no tank crew, worse scatter, worse armour the t34/85 has more HP. Buff the ez8 hp wise and there is no reason why the t34/85 shouldn't be buffed.

Do we want to mirror factions and units or do we want units and factions that have their unique units with different pros & cons?
20 Jul 2015, 07:20 AM
#30
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I read the thread title as "800 horse power" and was really confused for a bit.

I should go to sleep...
20 Jul 2015, 07:20 AM
#31
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 06:53 AMJorad
Sadly this forum has turned into a Buff Axis Yay, Buff Allies- nay.


Was it ever any different? :snfPeter:

Anyway, EZ8 is fine as it is. It got advantage over 34/85 when fighting meds and only firepower advantage when fighting heavies.
20 Jul 2015, 07:27 AM
#32
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Agreed with AchtAchter, most Medium Tanks are pretty generic, but they all have a special property.

The T-34/76 is cheap, Sherman has shells and smoke, Panzer IV is general all-rounder, T-34/85 has more health, M4C can fire rapidly, and Easy Eight is a Medium tank fighter.
20 Jul 2015, 12:24 PM
#33
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For only 5 fuel more the EZ8 and T34/85 will always beat a Ostheer PIV and for 5 fuel less they will do the same to an OKW one. Really neither of them need anymore buffs.
20 Jul 2015, 12:30 PM
#34
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 00:28 AMTalore
Ratchet pls. This bait is weak.
20 Jul 2015, 13:26 PM
#35
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T-34/85 costs 130 fuel and has 800hp

OKW P4 costs 135 fuel and has 640hp

Its a no-brainer imo

give it 800hp :snfPeter:


Should we mirror all units or should we keep them somehow unique? Next thing would be to buff the soviet M4C.
Right now every premium medium has a stat it excels at;

while having no mg upgrade, no tank crew, worse scatter, worse armour the t34/85 has more HP. Buff the ez8 hp wise and there is no reason why the t34/85 shouldn't be buffed.

Do we want to mirror factions and units or do we want units and factions that have their unique units with different pros & cons?


+1
20 Jul 2015, 13:38 PM
#36
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Personally I like EZ8s as they are, low health can be a negative if the tank is getting swarmed but I find the ability to bounce Panzerfausts more reliably much more useful than being able to take a few more hits (that would penetrate more often). Besides, I think Lower Health + Higher Armor works better with US tank crews that can more quickly top off the Tank's health and get it back in the fight.
20 Jul 2015, 14:39 PM
#37
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Lol, again the easy 8 is not performing for cost. It's 145 fuel and the worst tank the Americans can get for cost.
And really, it's far from useful. It's actually a hindrance to buy.

2 m10s will perform way better all around and arrive earlier.
2 85s is obviously cheaper.

The easy 8 does not have an advantage in engaging anything. The 85 is better than the easy 8 all around.Mainly because of mark vehicle and 800 hp.

1600 health, and a 430 damage Alpha strike on any tank you want dead
Why do soviets have the strongest version of American units??
M4c driven by vodka,way faster,,and breech lubricated by Stalin ***, faster ROF.

And achter the OKW p4 has nothing to do with this. Because it's NON doctrinal. Neither does the ostheer one because axis always has the advantage in medium vs medium if you use pak properly and vet your armor, which isn't impossible against USF paper and slingshot bazookas.

20 Jul 2015, 14:41 PM
#38
avatar of J1N6666

Posts: 306

EZ 8 is fine.

Axis on the other hand needs Hitler Youth.
20 Jul 2015, 14:57 PM
#39
avatar of chipwreckt

Posts: 732

while we at it give M3 halftrack 320 hp like soviet one MVGame


No, make it like the soviet M5 statswise, its same price as the Land lease m5 call-in....
20 Jul 2015, 15:42 PM
#40
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I would say make it 10 fuel cheaper or buff it's HP SLIGHTLY(though we all know how Relic loves to overbuff/overnerf things). :foreveralone:
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