Idea how to repair industry...

Jump back to quoted post13 Jul 2015, 17:31 PMKatitof

The doctrine is shit, because it doesn't work at base principle-it doesn't allow for increased armor production, it does exactly the opposite, it limits your field presence, therefore your resource income, therefore production.

And your fixes are utter bullshit as well, you're describing a gimped tiger/IS-2 here.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jul 2015, 18:06 PMAustralian Magic

And how would you call this buffed KV2 if you don't have MP to call it - if you do, you don't have good map presence.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jul 2015, 12:20 PMElSlayer

Yeah, let's make another abomination with conversion on demand like CAS.

• It has the best airstrikes in the game, which are not only powerful but cheap
  
• It can leverage the early munitions income to spam inf upgrades, mines etc
  
• The rate of conversion is unbelievably efficient, 50 fuel -> 150 mun, and can't be intercepted or interrupted
  
  

Jump back to quoted post13 Jul 2015, 17:24 PMAustralian Magic

-20%MP & -20%ammo for + 20% fuel (for example)? Anything would work. Ammo, mix... Does not matter cause currently it's downgrade.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jul 2015, 17:35 PMAlexzandvar

The KV2 with 320 armor and 1280 health would be a midground between the Tiger and IS-2 armor wise and have the KT's health. Also the ISU fix should be applied to the KV2 because super powerful anti-everything shells are retarded gameplay wise on long range units.

It's limited to one now, so it kinda need to be able to hold its weight against the enemy by itself.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2015, 01:50 AMGrumpy

In general, I agree but the KV2 has a range of only 40 when not set up. Its DPS is lower than OST or OKW medium tanks.

The ISU "fix" nearly "fixed" it into oblivion. The 12 second switch, combined with how badly it gets destroyed by shrek blobs make it difficult to use in larger games.

I tried Industry once since the patch and hated it. Too much fuel, too little manpower. I also don't think that Relic could balance it for all game sizes. Either it would be garden pudding in 1's and OP in 4's or vice-versa.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2015, 02:00 AMAlexzandvar

The ISU shell switch didn't destroy it, it's still excellent. It's just bad in larger game modes because there is zero reason to go for Tigers anymore to so the default is Elefant for late game Super Tank.

It also doesn't get destroyed by shrek blobs due to it's good frontal armor so uh, I have no idea what your talking about there. It is certainly a destroyer OF shrek blobs.

The KV-2 should just be a good assault tank like it's intended to be, so it should have either HE shells for bombarding enemy Paks or AT shells for doing lots of damage to Panthers or other tanks sitting back on the defensive.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2015, 02:24 AMVuther

I'd have to agree shell-switching would be killer to it considering the KV-2 also needs to manage its artillery mode. To give it AT considering that drawback (at least ISUs can insta-reverse when caught switching), it would be better off being given higher penetration or high deflection damage.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jul 2015, 17:35 PMAlexzandvar

The KV2 with 320 armor and 1280 health would be a midground between the Tiger and IS-2 armor wise and have the KT's health. Also the ISU fix should be applied to the KV2 because super powerful anti-everything shells are retarded gameplay wise on long range units.

It's limited to one now, so it kinda need to be able to hold its weight against the enemy by itself.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2015, 02:28 AMAlexzandvar

Which is why I said the artillery mode should be removed and it should have a better ROF just normally.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jul 2015, 17:35 PMAlexzandvar

The KV2 with 320 armor and 1280 health would be a midground between the Tiger and IS-2 armor wise and have the KT's health. Also the ISU fix should be applied to the KV2 because super powerful anti-everything shells are retarded gameplay wise on long range units.

It's limited to one now, so it kinda need to be able to hold its weight against the enemy by itself.