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kamk
21 Jun 2015, 01:45 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Jun 2015, 15:28 PMRollo


Rifle flame/Zook spam and E8 blob of death, that wasn't hard now was it. Good thing Wehr call ins got nerfed but Easy 8's and 85's are untouched :snfPeter:

They're indirectly nerfed due the buffs of counter units and changes on overall meta.

Examples:
- Guard Motor won't be as strong in the future > PTRS & 120s can't easily annihilate weapon teams anymore.
- And now go a step further and think about 43s that are an option due the lack of precision strike.
- Flame blobs won't instantly crit several models anymore either, giving you a lot more staying power.
- Or StugE may not wipe infantry as fast anymore, but it takes now 7 instead of 5 penetrated Zook hits.
- MGs have been buffed, so crowd control is a bit easier as well

Hope you get my point.
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comm_ash
21 Jun 2015, 03:21 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Jun 2015, 15:28 PMRollo


Rifle flame/Zook spam and E8 blob of death, that wasn't hard now was it. Good thing Wehr call ins got nerfed but Easy 8's and 85's are untouched :snfPeter:


Didn't realize E8s were that good at anything? I can see rifle company gaining more prominence due to flamers not exploding instantaneously, but E8s have never been the best part of rifle company. Why get 2 E8s when 1 sherman + 1 Jackson will have better AT/AI, and also cost less. The advantage of E8 is that you don't have to go major, and can thus go LT + CPT, saving a whopping 10 fuel. Going just LT -> callin E8s is inefficient at best and a shot in the foot at worst (LT gives early power with less scaling units).

Heavy callins may have been restricted to 1 only, but Ostheer still has access to panzer 4s and 5s. Use them.
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Alexzandvar
21 Jun 2015, 05:11 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jun 2015, 01:11 AMQueenRatchet123
It was op in alpha

there will be some nurf threads


Good thing the changes being done to it are not the changes done in the alpha.
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Katitof
21 Jun 2015, 08:45 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jun 2015, 05:11 AMAlexzandvar


Good thing the changes being done to it are not the changes done in the alpha.

Only a single one of them didn't make to patch.
I still believe it'll be way too cost efficient with below 100 fuel cost.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Butcher
21 Jun 2015, 10:22 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jun 2015, 01:11 AMQueenRatchet123
It was op in alpha

there will be some nurf threads
If you are not capable to use an AT gun versus it but tanks, you are attacking a (hard) counter of your tanks. You should have a hard time.

It still has less range than a SU-85, gets 4 shot by AT guns and doesn´t kill infantry reliably any longer.

The "nurf threads" will be done by people solely relying on call in tank meta. People who don´t use combined arms. Something we want to get rid of.
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Nick Banana
21 Jun 2015, 10:32 AM
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StugG+penetrate armor+4%x3 or fast move and rotate bulletins:bananadance:
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Grumpy
21 Jun 2015, 15:00 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Jun 2015, 15:28 PMRollo


Rifle flame/Zook spam and E8 blob of death, that wasn't hard now was it. Good thing Wehr call ins got nerfed but Easy 8's and 85's are untouched :snfPeter:


Easy 8's were badly nerfed several patches ago, and not all that great now. The AI was nerfed and it doesn't have the HE option like a regular Sherman (IIRC - been awhile since I used them).
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21 Jun 2015, 17:33 PM
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Stug could remove target weak point in exchange for HE shell switching like isu152. That way is retains the assault gun roll.
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Alexzandvar
21 Jun 2015, 18:25 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jun 2015, 08:45 AMKatitof

Only a single one of them didn't make to patch.
I still believe it'll be way too cost efficient with below 100 fuel cost.


Only 1 if you don't count all the teching changes that made it come waaaaay earlier.
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Rollo
22 Jun 2015, 12:28 PM
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I feel like the StuG should get HE shells to bring it in like with the SU-76
Click for depression

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ThoseDeafMutes
22 Jun 2015, 12:49 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jun 2015, 17:33 PMdaspoulos
Stug could remove target weak point in exchange for HE shell switching like isu152. That way is retains the assault gun roll.


Might be too good with the stats it's about to have, but as a general principle I'd agree with that. TWP is one of my most hated abilities in the game.
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22 Jun 2015, 13:27 PM
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We will see glorious spam of Stug-G and Stug-E to create The Great Wall of Stug.
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22 Jun 2015, 13:36 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post19 Jun 2015, 10:05 AMAlexzandvar


When you have 560 health every penned shot hurts a lot, and yes the most basic mediums occasionally at max range will fail to pen but in normal engagement range they will do fine (nobody sits at max range to shoot at a StuG). The 140 frontal armor means even the humble USF 57mm AT gun will pen it every shot.


The only 2 mediums in the game that have trouble per your post are the AP Sherman and T34/76, literally everything else will pen it always.



lol, Alex again spreding wrong info.....it is getting really boring.....
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An already muni starved faction (OKW) is now more muni starved and still can't build caches.

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22 Jun 2015, 16:11 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post19 Jun 2015, 10:21 AMCardboard Tank
Soviet no tech, call in meta gets harder. You really expected that the Russian fan train would let that happen without resistance?


You do realize that the Stug being as good as it is will make soviet T3 even more outclassed, yes? The T34/76 has dismal DPS, cannot pen the Stug 100% of the time, and will be penned and out DPSed every time.

Adjusting units to counter callins without fixing Soviet core tech is just a bad idea. If you don't want a buff to the T34/76, but want the callin meta to disappear, you are either deluded, or you don't want Soviets to have a fighting chance.
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Napalm
22 Jun 2015, 16:15 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jun 2015, 13:27 PMdbmb
We will see glorious spam of Stug-G and Stug-E to create The Great Wall of Stug.


Pretty much this. Narrow map meta will be MG42 + Pak + Stug with TWP. The Soviet player will have nerfed area of denial weapons to counter the weapon crews.

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22 Jun 2015, 16:16 PM
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"Its a tank destroyer, its job is to flat out stomp tanks." "Jackson rapes tiger cuz its a tank destroyer" "Doesn't matter if its cheap, its a tank destroyer".

Just gonna leave these here while you guys lose your minds about a cheap TD with 50 range being able to combat tanks.

" just flank it, has no turret"
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22 Jun 2015, 16:23 PM
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StugG has bad AI, use infantry-AT or AT-guns... or better yet flank it and use combined arms. :snfPeter::snfPeter:


mmmm those sweet sweet soviet communist tears. :D

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22 Jun 2015, 16:24 PM
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Some people forget the power of 85s, guard blobs, katys, 120s, and marked target vs Stug meta. :foreveralone:
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22 Jun 2015, 16:28 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jun 2015, 16:24 PMVonIvan
Some people forget the power of 85s, guard blobs, katys, 120s, and marked target vs Stug meta. :foreveralone:


Don't you think the lack of precision strike is going to hurt a bit? The accuracy of the Soviet mortars is a bit...well...they are firing drunk.

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22 Jun 2015, 16:32 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jun 2015, 16:28 PMNapalm


Don't you think the lack of precision strike is going to hurt a bit? The accuracy of the Soviet mortars is a bit...well...they are firing drunk.
Good one. They have same scatter values. Barrage is 40% more accurate. To balance it out due to slower rof is that they fire against smaller squads.

The advantages of the 120 are as clear as day so theres nothing to explain there
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