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Guard Motor Solution?

14 Jun 2015, 03:50 AM
#1
avatar of austerlitz

Posts: 1705

So how long will this bullshit continue?Or you aren't supposed to play smaller gamemodes unless a sov player takes pity on you and lets u kill his 120 mm?Whole doctrine is shit starting from sniper guards and 120 mm iwiper,mark vehicle and t-34/85s.
120mm is the biggest culprit by far making half maps unplayable.
14 Jun 2015, 06:21 AM
#2
avatar of l4hti

Posts: 476

-Nerf Guard PTRS slightly
-Nerf 120mm
-Decrease T34/85 AOE or accutary
14 Jun 2015, 06:40 AM
#3
avatar of Tea Maker Machine

Posts: 270

Buff:
- pm41
- SVT
- T3476

Changes:

- Make the LeFH a mobile non-Doc unit
- Reduce the Panther's cost to 400/160F
- Move ghards to 3CPs
- Fix the sniping bug
14 Jun 2015, 07:14 AM
#4
avatar of some one

Posts: 935

So how long will this bullshit continue?


I think while Shwerer pnzer stays in the middle of the map.
14 Jun 2015, 08:48 AM
#5
avatar of tuvok
Benefactor 115

Posts: 786

So how long will this bullshit continue?

9 days
14 Jun 2015, 09:51 AM
#6
avatar of Kronosaur0s

Posts: 1701

Just wait some days ffs
14 Jun 2015, 09:52 AM
#7
avatar of Katitof

Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8

Or, now listen to me oshteerlitz, wait for patch.
14 Jun 2015, 11:04 AM
#8
avatar of BlackKorp

Posts: 974 | Subs: 2

i share your anger but stop complaining, a huge patch is incoming to us and im sure it will make much things better ^_^
14 Jun 2015, 12:03 PM
#12
avatar of BlackKorp

Posts: 974 | Subs: 2

Fan boooi wars!!!!!! :banana::thumbsup:
14 Jun 2015, 13:00 PM
#13
avatar of Goldeneale

Posts: 176

How to counter 120mm?

Same way you counter every indirect fire thing ever: stay mobile.

That also means you don't put your trucks in the middle of the map, and don't invest too hard in bunkers.
14 Jun 2015, 13:14 PM
#15
avatar of ferwiner
Donator 11

Posts: 2885

How to counter 120mm?

Same way you counter every indirect fire thing ever: stay mobile.

That also means you don't put your trucks in the middle of the map, and don't invest too hard in bunkers.


Sadly, at least 90% of players will never understand or learn this...

jump backJump back to quoted post14 Jun 2015, 13:12 PMPorygon


What a genius.



The 120mm is a hefty investment. If you are able to make it worthless for some minutes after its arrival you just outspam soviet player, its as simple as that.


Its also very important to understand that it's not true that guard motor or CAS are too powerfull. More that most other doctrines are worthless. We don't need more useless commanders: game needs buffs not nerfs.
14 Jun 2015, 13:16 PM
#16
avatar of Aerohank

Posts: 2693 | Subs: 1

jump backJump back to quoted post14 Jun 2015, 13:12 PMPorygon


What a genius.



Spoken like a true hypocrite. It's the exact same logic you use when you are defending CAS.

LOL, I hate to say that you seems quite having tears of rage from, CAS, to be truth, your own mistake.
You know there are CAS coming and you park your SU85 at the edge of map? Seriously?


You know there is a 120mm on the field and you have your units stand still? Seriously?

What a genius logic indeed.

14 Jun 2015, 14:37 PM
#17
avatar of Porygon

Posts: 2779



Spoken like a true hypocrite. It's the exact same logic you use when you are defending CAS.



You know there is a 120mm on the field and you have your units stand still? Seriously?

What a genius logic indeed.



Spoken like Pak, MG42, Mortar can move on fire, very fucking funny dude.
14 Jun 2015, 14:38 PM
#18
avatar of Gluhoman

Posts: 380

Okay, but what about nerfing op cas doctrine?
14 Jun 2015, 15:12 PM
#19
avatar of Aerohank

Posts: 2693 | Subs: 1

jump backJump back to quoted post14 Jun 2015, 14:37 PMPorygon


Spoken like Pak, MG42, Mortar can move on fire, very fucking funny dude.


You know it is comming don't you? Just like with CAS. You know the 120mm is comming so why make static units? Or do you only have brilliant logic like that when it comes to dealing with CAS?

14 Jun 2015, 16:18 PM
#20
avatar of __deleted__

Posts: 1225

Aerohank, Porygon has a point insofar as OH is far, far more dependant on static weapon play than Soviets are. Trying and spamming Grens vs a good Soviet player will never work, especially once he has discovered the advanced wonders of the sandbags/Guards combo. Not to mention that Grens need to be parked in order to be effective as well.

Anyways, the problem with Guard Motor is of course not merely the 120, its the total package and its synergies, the Guards, the call-ins, mark target, what have you. This distinguishes from other meta docs somewhat, ie. Mech Assault where this comes down to just one element, imagine a less batshit OP StuG-E and the doctrine would be fine.
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