T-34 needs a buff

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2015, 19:21 PMMr. Someguy

Being 10 fuel cheaper isn't an excuse for being totally inferior in every way.

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2015, 22:16 PMZyllen

Actually its a pretty valid excuse. And their is also the issue that the usf has no heavies or 85's or decent AT guns so they need to draw their strength from somewhere else. the t-34 is weaker because it is meant to be weaker. Asymmetrical balance we call that


And if you dont agree then convince me why the soviets need a stronger stock medium tank. And just comparing stats with other medium tanks isnt valid. you need to look at the shole faction.

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2015, 22:16 PMZyllen

Actually its a pretty valid excuse. And their is also the issue that the usf has no heavies or 85's or decent AT guns so they need to draw their strength from somewhere else. the t-34 is weaker because it is meant to be weaker. Asymmetrical balance we call that


And if you dont agree then convince me why the soviets need a stronger stock medium tank. And just comparing stats with other medium tanks isnt valid. you need to look at the shole faction.

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2015, 22:16 PMZyllen

Actually its a pretty valid excuse. And their is also the issue that the usf has no heavies or 85's or decent AT guns so they need to draw their strength from somewhere else. the t-34 is weaker because it is meant to be weaker. Asymmetrical balance we call that


And if you dont agree then convince me why the soviets need a stronger stock medium tank. And just comparing stats with other medium tanks isnt valid. you need to look at the shole faction.

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2015, 23:33 PMcomm_ash

I have already explained it to you. Soviets need a stronger stock tank because the t34 is literally the best tank the soviets get for the entire game. Not only that, but it is the entire late game of soviet t3. If soviets are to be expected to survive without callins (which is what everyone wants), the first step will be giving them a late game worth etching for.

Currently, the t34 is the weakest tank, but it cannot gain a numbers advantage due to its cost. For the price of 4 p4s, you can get 5 t34s, and the 4 p4s will be dealing more ai and at damage, while simultaneously also scaling better in future engagements thanks to the significant vet 2 armor buff. On top of that, ostheer has the option to tech to t4, for more powerful, well armored, specialised units, while a soviet must spend more fuel to tech to their t4, which gives acess to the defensive su85 and the defensive katyusha. Soviet t3 +t4 has no breakthrough unit that can tank blows. The t34 needs to be more spammable, or it needs to scale better in some way, or soviets will have no chance without callins.

Also, the 100 fu cost does not justify it's current performance, as outlined above. Its simply not cheap enough. I could make obers cost 600 mp, and they will still be the most powerful long range infantry, but they would still be cost ineffective.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2015, 00:16 AMCookiezNcreem

HMM commash..
im all for a slight t3476 veterancy buff +cost buffso it can actually duke it out with panzer 4s once vetted
But let's be real

Callins themselves will never go anywhere, they will always have a late game if you so choose.
The the T3485,KV1,Is2,ISU, ETC will STILL BE IN THE GAME duking it out with German steel in the late game

EXCEPT HOPEFULLY You won't be able to simply spam these good tonks and stay at t0>t2. That's what everyone hates

You'll simply have to tech to the callinz and make your late game better.
Just like Prosteer will hopefully have to do with their big cats, hopefully


Now this doesn't solve the issue of doctrines like reserve army not having a call in tank and therefore no late game worth a crap,because like you and others are saying the best tank the soviets have outside of "meta" doctrines is the t3476 and the only way to allow it to scale is going t3 t4 which is impossible CURRENTLY
the only real solution outside buffing the t34 to unreal levels

Is If they made a certain up gunned medium tank stock for all doctrines, and left other callinz to their specific doctrines....

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2015, 23:33 PMcomm_ash

I have already explained it to you. Soviets need a stronger stock tank because the t34 is literally the best tank the soviets get for the entire game. Not only that, but it is the entire late game of soviet t3. If soviets are to be expected to survive without callins (which is what everyone wants), the first step will be giving them a late game worth etching for.

Currently, the t34 is the weakest tank, but it cannot gain a numbers advantage due to its cost. For the price of 4 p4s, you can get 5 t34s, and the 4 p4s will be dealing more ai and at damage, while simultaneously also scaling better in future engagements thanks to the significant vet 2 armor buff. On top of that, ostheer has the option to tech to t4, for more powerful, well armored, specialised units, while a soviet must spend more fuel to tech to their t4, which gives acess to the defensive su85 and the defensive katyusha. Soviet t3 +t4 has no breakthrough unit that can tank blows. The t34 needs to be more spammable, or it needs to scale better in some way, or soviets will have no chance without callins.

Also, the 100 fu cost does not justify it's current performance, as outlined above. Its simply not cheap enough. I could make obers cost 600 mp, and they will still be the most powerful long range infantry, but they would still be cost ineffective.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2015, 00:23 AMGrumpy

Or Relic could just make the T34/85 the standard T4 tank, and make the T34/76 into the call-in, with a low cp value so it still has some shock value. WFA was supposed to be late war and the standard Soviet tank was the T34/85 by then.

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2015, 21:00 PMTheSleep3r

Yeah, I want to see thousands of T-34s ramming a Panther and destroying it only via ram damage

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Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2015, 00:27 AMZyllen

Why do you blatantly ignore the fact that soviets have better call ins compared to the usf?
Yes they have somewhat weaker stock then the usf. They have far better callins and this will not change even with the changes made in the alpha. i see no reason for buffing the t-34



Mate this is the argument i do not wish to hear. And you basically invalided your entire argument.The t-34 is not meant to be spammed its meant to be used in conjunction with the TD's or AI tanks. You can spam 5 t-34's all you want its not going to change the fact that 1 p4 with 2 stugs is going to nail 5 t-34's to the wall. same goes for 5 p4's and 1 t-34 and 2 su85's.
But at the moment its difficult to get a t-34 and 2 su85's



The stats between the p4 and the t-34 is not as colossal as you make it out to be. 150 vs 180 armour and 20% less dps for the the t-34. that's why pay more for the p4. And while the mg does aid the p4 with AI its not free.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2015, 00:23 AMGrumpy

Or Relic could just make the T34/85 the standard T4 tank, and make the T34/76 into the call-in, with a low cp value so it still has some shock value. WFA was supposed to be late war and the standard Soviet tank was the T34/85 by then.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2015, 00:29 AMZyllen

is their a reason why the 85 should be there?

Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2015, 02:13 AMMr. Someguy

If they did that, the T-34/85 would need to see a nerf then. It's a bit strong to be your basic medium tank, and you wouldn't be able to field as many of them either. They should be at least P4 level if they're to be stock.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2015, 02:41 AMGrumpy

Sure, and while Relic is at it, they should nerf the Panther down to P4 level also, because they're the other tanks available in Tier 4.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2015, 02:59 AMdaspoulos

That makes zero sense. You should know as to why.
edit button too hard

Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2015, 02:41 AMGrumpy

Sure, and while Relic is at it, they should nerf the Panther down to P4 level also, because they're the other tanks available in Tier 4.