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Please explain the reason.
Anyway
what good reason is there to not include any form of blob counter for a faction
without an mg you have to spam inf or have flakht
in the lategame you must spam inf because all light vehicles are ineffective because of paks/td's
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Please explain the reason.
Anyway
what good reason is there to not include any form of blob counter for a faction
without an mg you have to spam inf or have flakht
in the lategame you must spam inf because all light vehicles are ineffective because of paks/td's
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Volks are roughly equal to Conscripts in AI abilities averaged at all game stages.
Every faction has TD, so Jagdpanzer.
Kubel, I agree.
IR Halftrack is a cool idea.
No non doc MG is supposed to encourage offensive action. In terms of flavor I agree-Ostheer is the support weapon faction.
Flak track and Luchs actually have completely different roles.
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And what that purpose may be? I think alot of people - including allied hardcore fans - will be more pleased if kubel will be swiched with Mg34 because you will basicaly replace a unit that is quite useful in startgame at least with a unit with a dubious usefulness throughout the game. Let's not pretend we don't know Mg34 is shit and Kubel is useful.
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I would much rather see the mg34 over the kubel simply because of how fast it can get to cut off points especially on open maps where you cannot really sneak around it or garrison in nearby buildings the kubel can really screw over USF early on if they go lieut and the okw player has good micro.
I don't feel the mg34 is shit tho it does a huge amount of dps with the ap rounds button and generally is going to stay around a lot longer than the kubel and get a lot more overall use unless the above is acomplished. I'd rather have a mg34 than a maxim or even a 50 cal I think. Maxim is complete shit now.
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What you said above makes me think you have little experience with Okw and little 1v1 experience because it's pure theory crafting. If you would experience more often the marvelous mg34 you would think twice before using it. In my case, if I don't build kubel, it usually means that I will build no suppressing unit throughout the game.
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I think we can all agree. USF OP.
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Okay let's stop this go to reason for all the buff X discussions. I'll cover team games here since only the l2p and insane claim OKW is OP in 1v1. First lets look at the meta. Allied can overwhelm and subdue Axis in early and mid game. Axis mistakes at this stage can be capitalized on by an organized team and crush them. Now Axis reaches late game, it begins a snowball effect the longer the late goes on. (though Allied can under right conditions snowball early-mid game leads into late game wins by strangling axis) Allied will be punished much more for mistakes leading up to late game than AXis mistakes on the course of mid game. Now someone tell me what is the list of reasons OKW is OP? Then lets us discuss if it truly is unbeatable and way over performing like most threads claim.
I know some of you are tired of the meta. AXIS Late game crush hur hur..Allied overwhelm early hur hur. Keep in mind for that to change to be 50/50 requires some nerfs and buffs on all sides, tech tree changes, call-in changes, and redesigns taking away faction flavor a bit.
I think it's wrong to discuss faction strength on the basis of timing. Rather, strengths lie in offensive vs. defensive design. The axis are much more defensive factions, if they manage to creep forward and take ground, they can be difficult to dislodge. Whereas the allies achieve the same by applying constant aggressive pressure until they suffer from attrition or become exhausted.
Like you mentioned, Axis in 3v3 and 4v4 snowball hard into the end game.
It used to be "win before 25 minutes or surrender". The last round of OKW nerfs helped, but the stronger Axis late game is still prevalent
I know asymmetric balance will never be perfect, but I don't think I'm alone in wanting both factions to be competitive at all stages of the game.
Yeah it pretty much goes without saying that the whole "lets design factions around being best at certain points in the game" idea is really dumb because it takes a lot of skill out of the equation.
It's dumb that an Allied player can win the game in the first opening minutes of a match, it's equally dumb that there is a time limit on how long a game can go on before the Axis heavys snowball into each other and you have KT's supported by Elefants.
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I think in 4v4,OKW is really OP.While 1v1 so fragile and weak .
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All wrong.
All l2p issues.
OKW not OP.
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All wrong.
All l2p issues.
OKW not OP.
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