So anyone knows when relic gonna decrease the cost of Soviets Tier 3?
Not ever because the soviets start with more fuel.
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So anyone knows when relic gonna decrease the cost of Soviets Tier 3?
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Well, I have to disagree with you on this one. Ostheer's T3 is a lot more viable than Soviets T3, and I think we do agree that Ostheer's T3 doesn't have any problem versus USF (at least on paper). Against Soviets, things are different yes, but still a vet 3 P4 is A LOT MORE intimidating than a vet 3 T34. I know, they should be because P4s are more expensive but the difference is greater than the actual fuel cost if you ask me. OKW's puma is ok IMO, specially with the 5 vet system, and the utility it has. But you don't expect the puma to counter an IS2 do you?
PS: That video does not prove anything. That was just pure bad luck. I'm up for some RNG adjustments but come on, that doesn't prove that P4s are 100% useless versus IS2. All that being said, the call in meta should be fixed. starting with some adjustments to stock units.
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Does the P4 beat a Sherman?
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That was not bad luck at all. even against the rear the p4 only has 50 % of penetrating and dont get me started about the is2 front armour. technically the t-34 has a better change against the tiger then the p4 has against the is2.
Ostheer's T3 is a lot more viable than Soviets T3
I think we do agree that Ostheer's T3 doesn't have any problem versus USF (at least on paper). Against Soviets, things are different yes, but still a vet 3 P4 is A LOT MORE intimidating than a vet 3 T34. I know, they should be because P4s are more expensive but the difference is greater than the actual fuel cost if you ask me. OKW's puma is ok IMO, specially with the 5 vet system, and the utility it has.
But you don't expect the puma to counter an IS2 do you?
Does the P4 beat a Sherman?
Yes pretty much in any practical situation.
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I disagree 100%
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I disagree 100%
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And why is that? Better armor, better penetration, better reload time... Everything in favour of Pz IV.
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Not ever because the soviets start with more fuel.
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Advantages so statistically marginal it may as well be a rounding error. PiV misses the first shot, you win. PiV gets a rear armour hit first, they win. etc. etc. In the grander context Shermans can be replaced, and aren't as big a loss as often as your only PiV will be; again due to the numbers already cited in the thread. There's a lot more implied equity at stake with the PiV, way too much to be psyched about going into a coinflip of a tank duel.
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I think the issue is actually the Ostheer early game map control that sets the teching back, not so much the price itself, but due to the weak early game this price is a lot more important that for USF and Soviets as your map control can't keep up with the costs (if you see where I'm going).
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Things got a little mixed up here. Are we debating Ostheer's T3 viability, PzIV or Soviet Call-ins?
-Fixing Ostheer's teching (Unless we fix this, any buff to Soviets mid and late game will utterly crush Ostheer)
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sure was a long post for some math. thanks for the tip.
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