Remove free lieutenant

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2015, 15:22 PMilGetUSomDay

Problem is that for their asymmetrical design, Relic decided asymmetrical means as different as possible to make things cool and ridiculously hard to balance.

I do like the 65 fuel for both the captain and the Lieutenant note though. I personally do not have a problem with unlocking an advantage with tech, I just wished it was for all factions and not just with the WFA (and I guess Ostheer technically gets rifle nades with tech, so really Soviets just got shit outta luck )

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2015, 07:29 AMEsxile

Oh yes, can't wait for a T1 100mp 10/20 fuel and super faster M20/halftrack push!! If your remove the lieutnant/captain, you also remove its cost

Riflenades, LMG unlock, Pfaust, Shrek. All part of teching for Ostheer. Yes Soviets are just boned.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2015, 15:36 PMAlexzandvar

No, you keep the cost the same and make you pay a price worthy of getting a BAR squad or a Zook squad. The issue is getting to much free shit with teching, thus is makes sense to allow tech to be acquired but you need to pay extra to get the bonus's from them.



Teching isn't an issue for Soviets due to the power of call in's. Why tech when you don't need to?

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2015, 15:40 PMJHeartless

Which has created a MESS called the Call in Meta that should be addressed IMHO.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2015, 15:36 PMAlexzandvar

No, you keep the cost the same and make you pay a price worthy of getting a BAR squad or a Zook squad. The issue is getting to much free shit with teching, thus is makes sense to allow tech to be acquired but you need to pay extra to get the bonus's from them.



Teching isn't an issue for Soviets due to the power of call in's. Why tech when you don't need to?

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2015, 16:19 PMilGetUSomDay

It is an issue because Call in meta is more than likely going to be addressed. It at this point is a universal known fact that people want changed, and when that happens there will be quite a few issues with Soviets.

This is exactly like how a few of us predicted OKW being overwhelming when they balanced out USF and adjusted the income of OKW. They didnt really have problems, it was just other faction issues and when they were sorted out the result was a not under powered faction being OP.

It will be the opposite in this case when Call in meta is addressed. OKW and USF will benefit the most, Ostheer stock stuff is great so no big deal, Soviets will get the shaft.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2015, 16:35 PMBurts

Do you have a credible source to back up your statement? Dont tell me the specifics if you are in alpha and under NDA, just tell me that if the call in meta is going to get fixed soon.

Because i remember very well PQ stating like 6 months ago is that they do not want to attach call ins to tech because they understand how heavily soviets depend on their call ins.


Anyways, attaching call ins to tech is not the way to go. All it would mean is that you now get a T3 building before your call in. Late game would still be dominated by call in tanks for sov/ost and esp for soviets because their non doc vehicles are pretty bad in the long run.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2015, 18:50 PMNapalm

Would like to see the LT pushed back by adjusting its cost.

Edit: Not sure this will fix it. They'll just build another riflemen group before the LT.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2015, 19:14 PMVuther

Well, that could at least fix M20 rushing. It's definitely a bit much.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2015, 19:55 PMWingZero

Whats wrong with M20 rush now? Scout car got a nice buff, combine it with Panzer Faust.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2015, 09:17 AMNuclear Arbitor

i don't want USF tech pushed back very much because as much of a balance problem as it is now for OKH, it fucking boring to play USF until you do tech and they don't have many options with T0, particularly if they get trapped at a cutoff.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2015, 12:16 PMAerohank

Ostheer auto-unlocks panzerfaust, grenades, LMGs, shreks and all their infantry units for a total investment of 400mp and 80 fuel with 20 starting fuel.

USF needs something to counter-balance this fact. Either the free LTD stays, or the grenades/zooks/BARs upgrades need to be removed and unlocked for free as part of teching as the Ostheer get them. Otherwise we'll get the same fiasco as we got with Ostheer vs Soviet teching at release, except this time there are no doctrinal units to fill the gaps.