Panther spammer

Jump back to quoted post8 Jun 2013, 17:54 PMS73v0

Panther is not imbalanced in 1v1. 2 SU-85s can easily shut down a panther if used correctly.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jun 2013, 18:42 PMTwister

2 SU-85s shooting at a completely unsupported panther buttoned on a bridge by guards, one from the front at point blank range and from the side. The panther still retreats away when the button finishes and almost kills one of the SUs.

This shouldn't happen, however you put it.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jun 2013, 19:34 PMS73v0

I've had different experiences, 2 SU-85s at range can do tonnes of damage to a buttoned panther, panther dies and SU-85s take no damage since if the panther is buttoned it can't shoot back. Maybe you just went too close to the panther with the SU-85?

Also it is expensive to tech up to panther while producing units to hold the map in 1v1. Panther should be good at what it does. Button, ram, AT nades, IS-2s, AT guns and SU-85s, there are plenty of soviet combined arms usage that can take out panthers.

Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2013, 02:27 AMFartOfWar

I never understood this line of argument in VCOH either. The Axis player need only make one non-doctrinal unit, then is able to focus on it alone for the match up you describe, and has all the mental RAM he needs to micro effectively. The Soviet player needs to max out a doctrine (eliminating the choice for all soviet players in 3v3 and 4v4 matches as all axis players spam Panthers) then spend more resources to make an IS2 than the Panther costs. And the panther has better range, better penetration. Then the soviet player needs to buy additional AT and Su-85s or T-34s and manage those for the encounter as well as his AT nade infantry. Who the fuck would choose the Soviet option given the circumstances of the choice? Make one practically unstoppable unit provided you have decent micro skills or dedicate half of your army to fighting that one unit? I've switched to Axis til they patch this mess and just spam Panthers as well now. It's hilarious, you'll vet them in no time.

Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2013, 02:33 AMInverse

I can see it being a big problem in team games, but in an evenly-matched 1v1 Panthers are so incredibly expensive that the Soviet player should be easily prepared and have a vast majority of the map if the Ostheer player is attempting to tech to Panthers with any degree of speed.

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Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2013, 07:44 AMCombatMuffin

In 2v2, panthers do become a force to be reckoned with. In my experience, the Soviet needs to really think creatively to deal with dual panthers.

I usually tell my teammate to simply rush for a panther in general, while I slowly tech up to dual stugs as AT support for my infantry wave. It becomes a headache for the enemy to defeat that combination (let alone 2 panthers with stug support).