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They're units of mass actually. Weight is measured in Newtons.
still that was like a decade ago so...) 
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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The 120 soviet mortar it's a verry powerful weapon. Soviets it's now easy mode taking OKW's place, with the condition for the player to have enough experience to know what to do.
Having these said, I don't realy think 120 mortar is OP. The only thing that really bothers me at it, is that one man left retreat bullshit. That shouldn't be. Fix that and the weapon it's ok, these are my 2 cents. It's not a cheap weapon.
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Some games have "Infantry formation options". I wish we had that in CoH, so you can simply order the squad to change their formation (V, line, Crystal, etc.). Hell, even simple infantry spacing modes can be great (And as far as I know, it's easy to implement and Cruzz did that). Just a simple button to let you change the spacing a bit (tight or spread).
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I have to disagree with formations choosing option. That would mean crazy micro added on a game that is already micro intensive. Think about it, you'll have to change formations for every situation. The solution is far more simple, Relic should solve the spacing problem, while not ruining cover optimal positioning.
I don't think this would be such a big deal, someone solved this through a mode.
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Permanently BannedJust had a game where 120mm wiped 3 full health squads in row on its first shot... when is relic gonna fix this? oh right they are busy making medic mods lol.... no wonder this game is dwindling in playernumbers
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Some games have "Infantry formation options". I wish we had that in CoH, so you can simply order the squad to change their formation (V, line, Crystal, etc.). Hell, even simple infantry spacing modes can be great (And as far as I know, it's easy to implement and Cruzz did that). Just a simple button to let you change the spacing a bit (tight or spread).
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Permanently BannedThe ost mortar is definitely better, its got less range but fires 3 shots for every soviet mortar shot
The 120 is viable, so it gets calls for nerfs. No one picks up the 82 (probably because no one builds them), but the ostheer mortar is like finding an LMG on the ground, everyone rushes to steal it
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The ost mortar is definitely better, its got less range but fires 3 shots for every soviet mortar shot
The 120 is viable, so it gets calls for nerfs. No one picks up the 82 (probably because no one builds them), but the ostheer mortar is like finding an LMG on the ground, everyone rushes to steal it
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They're units of mass actually. Weight is measured in Newtons.
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Apart from wiping potential, I tried to use in last few day double 120 and double GrW34. There was not even a single game where 120 had better efficiency than GrW34 and only 1 game where 120s had more kills.
So 800MP is not better at killing than 480 MP (without looking at squad wiping potential).
If you look at MP cost, I would take 2 GrW34 over 1 120.
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Do you seriously only look at kills when judging the performance of a unit because by that standard every Axis unit is better because every Axis unit will always be shooting at more infantry and killing more infantry.
two GrW34's might kill more models in the same game as 2 120's, but they will wipe far less squads and cause far less manpower drain.
The B4 had the worst ROF of any unit in the game but it was and still is great, the Sturmtiger is mostly the same but it remains good because of the impact of being able to just erase squads and tanks off the field.
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Unless I missed something, efficiency rating is driven by the absolute value of damage done. Consistently killing and forcing infantry to retreat can be more valuable than wiping out the squad if the net cost of consistently reinforcing them without producing results becomes greater than the actual value of the squad.
Unless I'm dealing with a campy motherfucker I don't really think about building the 120mm howitzers.
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