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15 Apr 2015, 17:08 PM
#181
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Is it just me or are those all the same guy? :O

I can't un-see it
16 Apr 2015, 04:16 AM
#182
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Reposted from a post I made on one of Dane's videos:

The thing is, I'm not convinced that it's the British that are coming. People are focusing on the avre file names and extensions...they seem to be forgetting that it was fired via a button ability, much like a certain other unit now found in CoH2 that fires via a '-poot-....BANG' principle...namely, one starting with 'Sturm' and ending in 'tiger'. In any event, a new German faction would be...questionable. Relic sort of screwed the pooch in giving the OKW all the cool toys, basically. Sure, we could add the Panzer.Division. „Hermann Göring“, but it's not like they were the best of the best by the time they had been reformed around the time of the Anzio landings. Yeah, they could deploy the first series of Jagdpanzer IVs with the L/48 gun, but really, people will complain that they're not as good as the OKW Jagd (which people seem to think is bad). Plus, Fallschirmpanzergrenadiere...yeah, no, that's a tad on the long winded side. The Panzer Lehr Division? Again, not elite by the time around Normandy. Yes, they got all the cool toys, but again, they were those men from training backgrounds sent to the front to plug gaps. One only needs to look at the Fallshirmjäger Lehr Abt.'s dismal performance in Italy to see that just because you have 'Lehr' in the name doesn't mean you're wolfing down schnitzel while kicking a dozen cowering G.I.s in the gut and smacking them over the head with your Panzergeneral's baton...
16 Apr 2015, 04:24 AM
#183
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I keep on thinking that the new faction (probably Brits) is going to be like the old Brits...in the tank area they will probably be like the USA so it is still the Soviets/Germans with the strong kit.
16 Apr 2015, 07:48 AM
#184
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2015, 04:16 AMVolsky
Reposted from a post I made on one of Dane's videos:

The thing is, I'm not convinced that it's the British that are coming. People are focusing on the avre file names and extensions...they seem to be forgetting that it was fired via a button ability, much like a certain other unit now found in CoH2 that fires via a '-poot-....BANG' principle...namely, one starting with 'Sturm' and ending in 'tiger'. In any event, a new German faction would be...questionable. Relic sort of screwed the pooch in giving the OKW all the cool toys


I think its pretty much guaranteed that a Brits/commonwealth faction is incoming. The community wants it and its a historical, fully rounded faction choice. Although if there is one company capable of missing such a complete no brainer its relic.

I'd also say there are enough units there for a panzer lehr faction - relic doesn't religiously stick to historical accuracy if it needs a unit to fill the gap. Jagdpanther, marder, Hummel, stug4, stuh, wirbelwind.

I'm thinking we'll see an allied style German faction with general purpose panzergrenadier infantry and lighter vehicles. Brits maybe will be an axis style allied faction with specialised infantry and heavier tanks and emplacements.
16 Apr 2015, 08:59 AM
#185
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2015, 04:16 AMVolsky
Reposted from a post I made on one of Dane's videos:

The thing is, I'm not convinced that it's the British that are coming. People are focusing on the avre file names and extensions...


Eh... it's pretty much confirmed that it's gonna be Brits.

Besides the file names (which by the way also explicitly include the term "British Commander Starter Pack") I can think of the following hints:

- Churchill posters hung demonstratively on the walls in Relics' streams
- The icon for the new faction on the roadmap is a Tommy helmet.
- The registration for the new alpha includes the phase "By Jove" which has a British origin.

..and there are probably even more, that I forgot.
16 Apr 2015, 09:10 AM
#186
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Eh... it's pretty much confirmed that it's gonna be Brits.

Besides the file names (which by the way also explicitly include the term "British Commander Starter Pack") I can think of the following hints:

- Churchill posters hung demonstratively on the walls in Relics' streams
- The icon for the new faction on the roadmap is a Tommy helmet.
- The registration for the new alpha includes the phase "By Jove" which has a British origin.

..and there are probably even more, that I forgot.

It also won't be anything axis related, because Italians army, infantry and armor would redefine word "underpowered" and Afrika Korps won't work as OKW and wehr made sure there is nothing that can be done to make new axis faction without copy pasting existing ones.

That leaves brits/commnwealth.
16 Apr 2015, 09:41 AM
#187
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2015, 09:10 AMKatitof

It also won't be anything axis related, because Italians army, infantry and armor would redefine word "underpowered" and Afrika Korps won't work as OKW and wehr made sure there is nothing that can be done to make new axis faction without copy pasting existing ones.

That leaves brits/commnwealth.


Axis still has a large variety of vehicles and infantry left that could be implemented, all that is left is to come up with reasonable faction mechanics.
16 Apr 2015, 10:44 AM
#188
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British will use trucks, probably it is a faction as usf/okw
16 Apr 2015, 10:50 AM
#189
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Axis still has a large variety of vehicles and infantry left that could be implemented, all that is left is to come up with reasonable faction mechanics.

Yes, but thats all prototypes, single models, extreme specialists or early war junk.
Nothing that would not be obliterated by stock soviet units really, but I can't deny I'd like to see army centered around light vehicles and lighter tanks(P3s and shit) with lightly armored TD support for AT.
16 Apr 2015, 10:51 AM
#190
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2015, 10:44 AMcapiqua
British will use trucks, probably it is a faction as usf/okw


Is that a guess, or do you have a source that makes you say that?
16 Apr 2015, 11:19 AM
#191
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2015, 10:50 AMKatitof

Yes, but thats all prototypes, single models, extreme specialists or early war junk.
Nothing that would not be obliterated by stock soviet units really, but I can't deny I'd like to see army centered around light vehicles and lighter tanks(P3s and shit) with lightly armored TD support for AT.
There´s actually enough stuff for a new German faction that is up to date in 1944/45. No prototypes or early war junk needed.

Hetzer - partly better armored than a StuG and with a remote controlled MG on top.

Nashorn
- Elefant gun on Panzer IV chassis.

Jagdpanther - Elefant gun on Panther chassis.

Nebelwerfer - a classic.

Panzer III Ausf. N - by 1944 this was used to fight off infantry with 80mm armor and a stubby 75mm gun.

Wirbelwind - Panzer IV chassis with quadruple flak.

88mm Flak 36 - a classic.

Hummel/ Wespe - An equivalent to the 152mm on tracks, 105mm Priest respectively.

Jagdpanzer IV/ L48 - Similar to the StuG. Worse gun and slightly less armor than the current L/70 variant.

Most of this stuff would still perform better than allied stuff. Don´t act like there´s nothing left.
16 Apr 2015, 11:21 AM
#192
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OKW will be getting new doctrines to go alongside the British faction from what we can tell. The new content may be themed in some way to go alongside this, potentially something like Italian support if the British are supposed to be fighting in Italy. I'm not really expecting that, but it's possible. At any rate, they will likely include some new units for Axis.

17 Apr 2015, 19:33 PM
#193
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OKW will be getting new doctrines to go alongside the British faction from what we can tell. The new content may be themed in some way to go alongside this, potentially something like Italian support if the British are supposed to be fighting in Italy. I'm not really expecting that, but it's possible. At any rate, they will likely include some new units for Axis.

New commanders for both US and OKW would be good, but Wehr should probably get some new commanders as well to be fair if allies get Brtis.
20 Apr 2015, 15:18 PM
#194
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There´s actually enough stuff for a new German faction that is up to date in 1944/45. No prototypes or early war junk needed.

Hetzer - partly better armored than a StuG and with a remote controlled MG on top.

Nashorn
- Elefant gun on Panzer IV chassis.

Jagdpanther - Elefant gun on Panther chassis.

Nebelwerfer - a classic.

Panzer III Ausf. N - by 1944 this was used to fight off infantry with 80mm armor and a stubby 75mm gun.

Wirbelwind - Panzer IV chassis with quadruple flak.

88mm Flak 36 - a classic.

Hummel/ Wespe - An equivalent to the 152mm on tracks, 105mm Priest respectively.

Jagdpanzer IV/ L48 - Similar to the StuG. Worse gun and slightly less armor than the current L/70 variant.

Most of this stuff would still perform better than allied stuff. Don´t act like there´s nothing left.


How would you guys separate these between the Wehr and OKW? I would give the Jagdpanther, Nebelwerfer, and Hummel to the Wehr. OKW would get the Nashorn, Wirbelwind, and Flak 88. I think I remember seeing a while ago a picture of a commander with the Hetzer for the Wehr, I think it also had a ability that allowed Grenadiers to upgrade with Shrecks.
20 Apr 2015, 15:44 PM
#195
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20 Apr 2015, 15:50 PM
#196
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Oh yeah ^^
If that is real, I would use that lol.
20 Apr 2015, 16:48 PM
#197
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So now that UKF is a confirmed name for the confirmed single coming faction, we can bury this 'it's not the brits' hatchet for good, right?



And I can have a wet dream about getting a tortoise with HE/HVAP toggle?
20 Apr 2015, 17:13 PM
#198
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I'm not a fan of the name but it's better than "Commonwealth Army" which many people wanted for some reason when I did a poll a while back. Still, I think it's pretty clear by now that the British are the new faction; any doubts anyone has should be cleared now.
20 Apr 2015, 17:40 PM
#199
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So now that UKF is a confirmed name for the confirmed single coming faction, we can bury this 'it's not the brits' hatchet for good, right?



And I can have a wet dream about getting a tortoise with HE/HVAP toggle?

You want to crush dreams of axis megalomaniacs? :foreveralone:

Want a hammer? :megusta:
20 Apr 2015, 18:13 PM
#200
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