Is the King Tiger still worth 260 fuel?

Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2015, 20:08 PMAlexzandvar

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Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2015, 22:46 PMArclyte

The KT should have never been non-doctrinal.

Until it's tied to a commander, you really can't complain about its godlike armor getting a slight nerf

Its quite simple really.
You claim IS-2 speed is its advantage.
Show a replay where it is to the point where it makes difference(aka where Tiger wouldn't do exactly the same).

A replay, not another theorycrafting brick of useless text about a game you play in your head.

Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2015, 22:31 PMpussyking

KT was almost invicible before the patch.

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2015, 09:24 AMTrubbbel

It was definitely not. Such bullshit. And it's about winning a match, not killing individual units.

So many opinions from people that have not played both sides.

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2015, 10:22 AMBurts

Only thing about the KT is that it's veterancy buffs are absolutely downright pathetic. The king tiger is probaly the only axis vehicle that gets just absolutely useless veterancy stats.

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2015, 10:25 AMButcher

People need to stop arguing that the King Tiger should be borderline useless because it´s non doctrinal. That doesn´t justify it being a bad unit. Actually it makes things even harder. You can´t just no tech into call ins with it, eventually making it even more expensive.

The worst thing is that the IS-2 is more mobile and thus can escape. The King Tiger can´t.

A unit you can´t afford in 80% of the games anyway and which in the other 20% is a total gamble, isn´t a unit that is going to be used.

The King Tiger was hit multiple times with this patch. Jacksons have better penetration, its armor was nerfed and Blitz was nerfed. This was simply too much. A classic Relic mistake.

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Agreed. I think it should get its old armor value back with vet 2.

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2015, 15:56 PMAustralian Magic

Stepping aside from the nerf which KT did not need in fact (Jackson buff), or down do 400, I see double stanrads here. I mean, 375 armor unit cannot be used to break line becasue it's too weak but IS2 with same armor is very good at breaking lines?

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2015, 10:22 AMBurts

King tiger is still the most efficent anti infantry and anti tank unit in the game. It's still very good againts tanks.


Only thing about the KT is that it's veterancy buffs are absolutely downright pathetic. The king tiger is probaly the only axis vehicle that gets just absolutely useless veterancy stats.

Stepping aside from the nerf which KT did not need in fact (Jackson buff), or down do 400, I see double stanrads here. I mean, 375 armor unit cannot be used to break line becasue it's too weak but IS2 with same armor is very good at breaking lines?

And this pesky USF finally has a way to compete with Axis heavies late game. How dare them! Its not an instant won when KT hits the field so grow a pair and learn how to utilise it.

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2015, 19:07 PMAlexzandvar

The issue isn't that it's bad, it's just that it's roll was shifted significantly to a more defensive focus, which is just dumb because OKW isn't lacking for defensive options at all.



Because 1. Axis squads are easier to 1 shot, and 2. the IS2 is fast and can get up around enemy AT much faster than the KT can.



It wasn't an instant win when the KT hit the field before, either.

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2015, 19:26 PMAustralian Magic

You seems to forget that KT has more HP and blitz to get out from combat.

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2015, 19:32 PMAlexzandvar

Remember; the IS2 is cheap compared to the KT, you can replace it with out that much effort. A IS2 loss isn't a game loss for the Soviet player, a KT loss absolutely is.

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2015, 19:32 PMAlexzandvar

Blitz in it's nerfed form gives it only slightly more speed than the IS2 does, and still not nearly as much as allied medium tanks have.

Remember; the IS2 is cheap compared to the KT, you can replace it with out that much effort. A IS2 loss isn't a game loss for the Soviet player, a KT loss absolutely is.

It has only 1 Jackson shots worth of HP more, but the same armor with none of the speed or maneuverability of the IS2. The excellent main gun means nothing if you can't use it.