Stug IV

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2015, 21:04 PMG4bb4_G4nd4lf

The StuGIV is using the very same gun as the StuGIII.

Armor is also pretty much the same.

There's no point in adding this tank. It would be easier to simply buff the current StuG but I don't think it is necessary.

It's the M-36 (Jackson) that should be changed.

A pen buff to 240 at max range and a DMG nerf to 160 will make it less effective vs mediums but more reliable vs heavies.

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2015, 21:12 PMAlexzandvar

The Jackson would need a price increase then, 240 pen at max range + it's great mobility would make it out class every medium TD in the game in every way except armor.

For instance, 240 at max range is almost 100 more than the JPIV at max range and the SU-85 at max range.

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2015, 21:20 PMscratchedpaintjob

the nerf to his damage would be absolutlety enough, imo toning him down to 200 damage would be enough of a compensation. the jackson is supposed to be a glasscannon, nerfing his damage more would make him unplayable, you would need to have godlike micro and still do no damage

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2015, 21:23 PMAlexzandvar

To put things in perspective, the only tanks in the game with more than 240 pen at max range are the Jadgtiger and Elefant.

At 240 pen at max range the Jackson would have the best long range penetration of any non-doc tank in the game, as well as all doctrine tanks in the game except for the two previously mentioned.

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2015, 21:29 PMscratchedpaintjob

so he would be able to penetrate pretty much every axis tank pretty much every time. i see nothing wrong with that, he would not be as effective against mediums, because of the damage nerf, but he would be a heavytank counter. Still he would need a lot of micro and he would be counterable. That would be perfect! what do you dislike about that?

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2015, 21:48 PMbraciszek

God help USF tanks requiring any less micro than they have already. Spinning in circles, having low health, zero armor, and big hitboxes is USF's special way of deflecting projectiles.

Less damage = medium tanks countered more? Logic does not fit out that window.

-Complains that Axis have too few medium tanks

-Complains that most fragile TD will somehow be more effective at killing medium tanks with 160 damage instead of 240.

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2015, 21:36 PMAlexzandvar

Uh, the Jacksons mobility means it requires less micro, not more. It can easily escape a sticky situation in a way the SU-85 and JPIV cannot.

Making the Jackson literally the most cost efficient best tank killer in the game that also comes in roughly the same time Ostheer first gets T3 would make Axis medium armor more rare, not less. It would also turn the Tiger into a joke, since the Tiger would be helpless if it's armor was getting penned every time by a tank it couldn't even touch.

What makes the Jackson ~okay~ versus heavy armor is the trade off of damage versus pen, meaning that when you pen you fuck a tank up hard, making it's damage reduced but giving it garenteed penetration would mean there is literally no trade off.