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Flak HQ: Why should OKW's most important building in the game be defenseless?
Shreks: We have had 3 threads about this, until OKW gets more mobile AT or not shit infantry AT options shreks are going to be a crutch OKW needs
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Why should a 320 MP assault engineer squad have 170 MP repairs?
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For the same reason everyone else can only use bunkers to cover territory.
I don't think anyone has a problem with Raketens not be trash if Schreck spam gets its deserved nerfs since that would solve two problems at once.
answered your own question......
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The Schwer was designed to be how it us because T3 is incredibly important for OKW
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Then they can build it in their base instead of basically being guaranteed to shut down a large part of the map in their favour because their base can easily hold off an entire medium tank, completely ignoring the rest of their forces' ability to aid it.
Im okay when Sturmpioneers having an above average repair rate, but its just absurd in its current state given vet and minesweeper upgrade.
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The Schwer was designed to be how it us because T3 is incredibly important for OKW, if you removed the good units inside of it I don't think people would give a shit about nerfing it.
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
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Im okay when Sturmpioneers having an above average repair rate, but its just absurd in its current state given vet and minesweeper upgrade.
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I find regular pioneers / engineers better
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
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Toned down as in
Sturm Repair isnt an issue. T4 flak isnt an issue.
Shrek accuracy at max range, Volks received accuracy bonuses with vet,blobs being blobs,and obers sniping MGs frontally are the main issues with OKW. everything else thats an issue is just an issue because these things are an issue. Panthers arent Op,Luchs isnt OP,Forward bases arent OP,Stuka IS NOT OP but can be tweaked to not be as ANNOYINGLY accurate as it is,Flak HT moving and setting up is a prob,Puma vet 0 smoke is somewhat a prob,Falls need something....they suck at high levels and are too OP at low level. Maybe vet 0 camo and a somewhat cheap FG42 upgrade with hold fire. Pak43 and Flak HQ combo needs to be LOOKED at(not nerfed off the map)
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Bullshit
Volks can keep thier shreks
But two things MUST change
those being FLak HQ and OBers
Flak HQ under-minds the entire purpose of coh2. Which is to harass ur opponent by grabbing cutoffs and territories. You cant possibly defend this. Flak HQ negates the entire purpose of harrasing. It also threatens medium tanks. it makes NO fucking sense that it can force a way units that cost way more than it.
Lastley OBERS, they completely negate allies infantry combat. This is whyy OKW fanboys complain about snipers. Because nothing allies have ( besides shock, very situation) stand a chance to these monsters.
If obers get nerf, allied infantry can deal with volkesd shreks (theoretically)
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Try to play a game for me with just volks. see how you will get.
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
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Sight for your taaaaaaaaanks. It can shut down a VP and fuel if your lucky on some maps, others you won't have the map presence to be so aggressive with it.
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Sight for them to do what? It has enough range to hit frontline tanks back whenever they shoot at it and it quickly pins and wrecks any infantry that dare spot it. Pretty much the only reliable way to take it down is to feint the enemy force's onto another side of the map and then rush all your tanks into it - probably with an expensive arty call-in on it for insurance. There's no hope without horribly disproportionate forces upon it if it has pretty much any AT defenders with it - and if the OKW player has their T1 nearby it, they'll certainly have AT defenders soon enough when the Schreck blob presses R.
And I mean in team games. In 1v1 you're basically screwed unless your enemy just can't pay attention to it, in which if they can't then you can just kill it with SU-85s and Jacksons firing on its location at max range, but since your enemy apparently just can't pay attention for you to do that, that method pretty much doesn't count.
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In 2's and anything higher it's easier to take down, but if you use a scouting unit like Pathfinders or an M20 you can get a look at it outside it's max range, and then shoot at it outside it's max range using something like a Sherman.
Or use an AT gun, or use a mortars....
American's have a harder time dealing with it than Soviets, but it's still not impossible.
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What?
this is the best you can do?
Obers need a nurf.. Period end of dicussion
as for volks, LEarn how to build sandbag and support ur inf...
AH fuck iT!
not wasting my time with you
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All frontline tanks (save for the Panther, I guess), heavy or medium, have a range of 40. The Flak HQ has a range of 45. Only tank destroyers can hope to achieve what you suggest since any infantry unit can run by for the Flak HQ for it to see its target before it gets destroyed because it's a super tough building unless, again, you are using a disproportionate force of tanks against it...and I think I recall that units can shoot back at stuff firing out of the fog of war so long as they're in range from units revealing themselves out of the fog of war when they fire, so it might not even need that one infantry unit. And doing that with a tank destroyer still largely requires a ton of them unless the enemy completely doesn't notice that's happening, much like the AT gun and mortar suggestion.
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Shooting at the Schwer with a indirect fire unit plus an AT gun mean's dead Schwer because you will gib the unit he is trying to repair with it, and if tries to push you just dig your heels in and stop him using suppression platforms combined with some mainline infantry.
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